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adosa
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Craving

Postby adosa » Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:05 am

Is it any level of insight, whatsoever, to see and experience what a pain in the arse craving really is?


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Re: Craving

Postby Ben » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:42 am

Greetings Adosa,
I think its an important realization and certainly a sign of progress on the path. But, I don't think it actually coincides with one of the vipassana naanas. The only cure to craving being a pain in the arse is to continue practicing!
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Re: Craving

Postby chownah » Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:15 pm

adosa,
Aren't you realizing the first of the four noble truths?...or maybe the second one?...I get them confused sometimes.
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Re: Craving

Postby rowyourboat » Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:11 pm

Adosa

Chownah is right- it is a development of panna (wisdom) at the level of Right view (supramundane at that) - an essential precursor to stream entry. The latter leads to practicing 'like your head is on fire' - knowing why you need to go about it like that, is your right view. As the Noble eightfold path reaches it's culmination, you will begin to develop the insight knowledges as you tear apart the veils of delusion. :anjali:

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Re: Craving

Postby 2600htz » Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:31 pm

seeing dependent origination?

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Re: Craving

Postby Spiny O'Norman » Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:27 am


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Re: Craving

Postby rowyourboat » Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:10 pm

Hi Spiny

'Insight, insight, what is insight?' :jumping:

Insight, technically, refers to one of the 16 insight knowledges. These insight knoweldges (vipassana nana) are embedded in the forumlation of the seven visuddhi or purifications:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... gress.html

Now, 'insight', used more loosely, might also mean 'a deeper understanding/realization into some matter of the mind'. The idea that craving leads to suffering is such an insight (and not one of the 16 insight knowledges). It might also be useful to know that the looser definition probably comes to us from psychotherapy, where breakthroughs in therapy may come with insight.

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Re: Craving

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