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Sarvastivada!

Postby Lazy_eye » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:26 am

Hi all:

I'm a bit curious how the Sarvastivada school justified its doctrine in relation to the Buddha's teachings on anicca and anatta. I'm assuming that (like pretty much every Buddhist school) the Sarvastivadans claimed to be representing the authentic dhamma, and yet -- on the surface of it, at least -- their notion of a permanently existing svabhava seems hard to reconcile with the teachings. Or is this because I'm retroactively applying a Mahayanist interpretation of anicca and anatta?

In any case, I'm interested to know how these folks might have explained the need for this notion -- i.e. what questions raised in the suttas does it answer, and how is it reconciled with what the Buddha taught? Also, if I remember correctly, a Sarvastivada canon of scriptures has been preserved; if so, does it differ in any significant way from the Pali Canon?

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Postby daverupa » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:20 am

May I recommend Noa Ronkin's Early Buddhist Metaphysics in this connection. She carefully and sequentially goes over the minutiae of these developments.

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Postby alan » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:35 am

"Foundations" is a good book, but I was left wondering about the Sarvastivada position on many subjects after reading it. Just took a quick glance at it again all I can find is "they believe in a doctrine that all things [past, present, and future] exist". There is also a bit about how their abhidhamma differs slightly, but nothing in particular that would fill in the blanks about what they believed or why.

Tomorrow morning I'll brew up a pot of coffee and try to get over my reluctance to read anything relating to Nargajuna.

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On page 110 of Early Buddhist Metaphysics, Noa Ronkin is writing about the Sarvastivadan concepts of svabhava and svalaksana. "To have a svabhava is to be a primary existent. Hence the svabhava is the determinant of a dharma which is dravya, a substantially real entity, and is what defines a dharma as having primary existential status regardless of its temporal status."

Page 111: "Bear in mind, though, that the Theravadins did not subscribe to the Sarvastivadin metaphysics: they did not incorporate the Sarvastivada atomistic theory directly into their system, and rejected the claim that the dharmes exist as past, present, and future. Most importantly for the present context, they did not use the category of sabhava to denote dravya and rejected the very Sarvastivada equation of a dharma with dravya."

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If anyone is interested to read this long article on Sarvastivada

http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-ADM/bastow.htm

Any comments about it? They do seem to have their reasons for asserting what they do.
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