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What the Buddha did not teach - Christopher Titmuss

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Postby Platypus » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:10 am

He should have mentioned that the Buddha never taught this either. I see it around a lot.
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Postby Ben » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:26 am

Hi Platypus.
Yes, I agree with you.
I tend to also discount any purported quote that has appended to it "- Buddha", or "- The Buddha"
It is usually some new age bs.
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Postby Lazy_eye » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:35 pm

Given the often heated disagreement over practically every doctrine or practice ascribed to him, I'm beginning to doubt that the Buddha taught anything at all.

Except for suffering and the end of suffering, that is...

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The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Actually that looks rather tasty.....
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Postby rowyourboat » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:59 pm

Hi Tilt,

I am prone to posting replies without properly researching them on the Internet - perhaps in the hope that someone more familiar on the topic at hand will show me the truth of the matter - a style perhaps suited for this particular forum. I think you seem particularly familiar with IMS and wondered whether yonisomanasikara ('appropriate/wise contemplation') IS practiced there (not convinced by CT's description of it) and whether you could point me towards examples of it. I am under the impression no living tradition practices yonisomanasikara.

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The most complete english tipitaka on the internet world.

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Postby rowyourboat » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:35 pm

Well by yoniso manasikara I mean contemplating on some object of your immediate experience of your surroundings, in accordance to the dhamma. For example according to the Silavant sutta [http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.122.than.html] we could contemplate rupa (matter or more to the point, the experience of matter) as a cancer - that is to say 'a cancer' is not something that someone being mindful of phenomena would naturally think of but rather requires active intentional application of the dhamma knowledge to one's experience by contemplation. Yonisomanasikara leads to right view, hence fulfills the ditti visuddhi (purification of view) portion of the vipassana path. It is unfortunate that YM has been incorrectly subsumed, IMHO, under bare awareness by translating as 'appropriate attention'.

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Postby cooran » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:46 pm

Hello all,

A few dictionary meanings of Yoniso manasikāra and Manasikāra:

Yoniso manasikāra: 'rational attention' or wise consideration': see: manasikāra

Manasikāra: 'attention', 'mental directing', 'reflection'.
1. As a psychological term, attention belongs to the construction-group sankhāra-khandha Tab. II. and is one of the 7 mental properties cetasika that are inseparably associated with all states of consciousness see: cetanā In M. 9, it is given as one of the factors representative of mind nāma It is the mind's first 'confrontation with an object' and 'binds the associated mental properties to the object.' It is, therefore, the prominent factor in two specific classes of consciousness: i.e. 'directing āvajjana at the five sense-doors' Tab. I, 70 and at the mind-door Tab. I, 71. These two states of consciousness, breaking through the subconscious life-continuum bhavanga form the first stage in the perceptual process citta-vīthi see. viññāna-kicca See Vis.M XIV, 152.
2. In a more general sense, the term appears frequently in the Suttas as yoniso-manasikāra 'wise or reasoned, methodical attention' or 'wise reflection'. It is said, in M. 2, to counteract the fermentations āsava, it is a condition for the arising of right view see: M. 43, of Stream-entry see: sotāpattiyanga and of the factors of enlightenment see: S. XLVI, 2.49,51. - 'Unwise attention' ayoniso-manasikāra leads to the arising of the fermentations see: M. 2 and of the five hindrances see: S. XLVI, 2.51.
http://what-buddha-said.net/library/Bud ... tm#manasikāra

2. Yoni : (page 560)
K.S. i.259); D i.118 (wisely); It 30 (āraddha āsavānaŋ khayāya); Pug 25; Vism 30, 132, 599; PpA 31. Opp. ayoniso disorderly improperly Pug 21; DhA i.327; PvA 113, 278. -- Esp. frequent in phrase yoniso manasikāra "fixing one's attention with a purpose or thoroughly," proper attention, "having thorough method in one's thought" (K.S. i.259) Ps i.85 sq.; It 9; J i.116; Miln 32; Nett 8, 40, 50, 127; Vism 132; PvA 63.
http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philol ... splay=utf8

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Postby Alex123 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:14 pm

Hello Cooran, all.

In case anyone is interested,

Here is interesting thing that yonisomanasikārā leads to 7 factors of awakening, mindfulness and concentration are one of them.

It is in this way, friend, that a bhikkhu can know for himself: ‘By proper attention the seven factors of enlightenment have been fully perfected by me in such a way that they lead to dwelling in comfort.’” SN 46.8 Upavānasuttaṃ BB Trans


"With regard to internal factors, I don't envision any other single factor like appropriate attention as doing so much for a monk in training, who has not attained the heart's goal but remains intent on the unsurpassed safety from bondage. A monk who attends appropriately abandons what is unskillful and develops what is skillful." -Iti 16 http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

"as to internal factors, I do not see any other factor that is so helpful for the arising of the seven factors of enlightenment as this: proper attention. When a bhikkhu is accomplished in proper attention, it is to be expected that he will develop and cultivate the seven factors of enlightement"
-SN 46.49 (9) Internal Factor BB Trans


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