What is 'objectification'?

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Re: What is 'objectification'?

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:31 am

Papanca seems to be the 'subjective' bit in 'subjective reality'.

Having said that I cant think of one clear word that is broadly acceptable. 'Thinking' might be one candidate IMHO.

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Postby chownah » Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:22 pm

Here's another rendering of the quote in question:
From: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/study/stream.html

"'This Dhamma is for one who enjoys non-complication, who delights in non-complication, not for one who enjoys & delights in complication.' Thus was it said. With reference to what was it said? There is the case where a monk's mind leaps up, grows confident, steadfast, & firm in the cessation of complication. 'This Dhamma is for one who enjoys non-complication, who delights in non-complication, not for one who enjoys & delights in complication.' Thus was it said. And with reference to this was it said."

— AN 8.30

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Re: What is 'objectification'?

Postby daverupa » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:55 pm

Understanding Pali involves a certain liquidity as well as rigidity, but this is true of any language; the words are not beyond understanding, because they are words. The claim that language, a tool to communicate, is somehow too vague to use for communication is a claim that cuts away at its own foundation, and is quite illegitimate.

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Re: What is 'objectification'?

Postby chownah » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:38 pm

In and of themselves words are meaningless...the only meaning they have is the meaning we give them and all of the meanings of every word whether spoken or written is acquired through our experience with it. All words are empty of self. Words are the result of fabrication, objectification, complication, papanca, etc. Using words from one language to express a meaning originally expressed in another language is papanca upon papanca and papanca.....but of course its the best we can do....but no need to reify words...better to see them for what they are....
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Re: What is 'objectification'?

Postby Nyana » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:22 pm

Ven. Ñāṇananda wrote a book largely dealing with the term papañca. .

papañca: conceptual proliferation

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Re: What is 'objectification'?

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Hi Chownah,

You can get some idea from the link I posted above, which has a summary of the earlier interpretation.

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