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What is 'objectification'?

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What is 'objectification'?

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Re: What is 'objectification'?

Postby santa100 » Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:23 pm

In MN 18, Ven. Thanissaro explained the term as:

"Translating papañca: As one writer has noted, the word papañca has had a wide variety of meanings in Indian thought, with only one constant: in Buddhist philosophical discourse it carries negative connotations, usually of falsification and distortion. The word itself is derived from a root that means diffuseness, spreading, proliferating. The Pali Commentaries define papañca as covering three types of thought: craving, conceit, and views. They also note that it functions to slow the mind down in its escape from samsara. Because its categories begin with the objectifying thought, "I am the thinker," I have chosen to render the word as "objectification," although some of the following alternatives might be acceptable as well: self-reflexive thinking, reification, proliferation, complication, elaboration, distortion. The word offers some interesting parallels to the postmodern notion of logocentric thinking, but it's important to note that the Buddha's program of deconstructing this process differs sharply from that of postmodern thought"

Ref.: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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Re: What is 'objectification'?

Postby bodom » Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:38 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: What is 'objectification'?

Postby IanAnd » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:06 pm

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Re: What is 'objectification'?

Postby chownah » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:32 am

TMingyur,
Given that there is a Pali text and somone translates it and for the Pali term "papanca" that person uses the English term "objectification".....then I believe that the best way to determine if in fact this is an appropriate translation is to do the following:
1. Study the word papance and how it is used in the Pali cannon.
2. Study the word objectification and how it is use in English which is the language of the discussion.
3. Compare the two meanings and in light of the overall meaning of the text containing the term and consider the advantages and disadvantages or objections of the use of "objectification" to stand in for "papanca".

What I was trying to do by introducing the definition of "objectification" which you object to was to satisfy number 2 above....it seems to me that you were perhaps doing number 3 as an objection to number 2....but I'm not sure.
If you object to the definition I have given for objectification then please provide one that you think is correct....if there is none then we effectively are not able to discuss the term since we have no definition for it and it becomes gibberish....I guess....
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Re: What is 'objectification'?

Postby santa100 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:18 pm

Take care in not to "objectifying" this "objectification" term :smile: . Go back to Ven. Thanisarro's list of equivalent English terms in my previous post, then pick the one that works best for you. Problem solved..

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Re: What is 'objectification'?

Postby chownah » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:15 am

TMingyur,
I have no reply to the substance of your previous post. I think we have not been able to establish a basis for meaningful communication.
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Re: What is 'objectification'?

Postby bodom » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:11 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/


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