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Jhanas v. Vipassana

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Postby daverupa » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:20 am

Are there cases of arupajhana attainment without rupajhana attainment in an individual, such that only jhanas 5-8 are available for practice?

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Postby ground » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:32 am

I think the issue here is mainly a linguistic one. The nuances that make the difference seem not to be definitely expressible in terms and terminology.

In the suttas we have several different types of "concentrations" and meditative states and it is not quite clear how these exactly relate to each other.
E.g. Signless concentrations vs Jhana vs Vipassana? Or "Dwelling in emptiness" vs mindfullness vs concentration?


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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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If one wants to go from A to B and needs a car for that it may be better not to get obsessed with the descriptions of color and type of the car but to take as the relevant measure whether the car functions in a way that it may take one from A to B. The measure is the progress made with the car not the wording of the descriptions of color and type of the car.

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Here where a thousand
captains swore grand conquest
Tall grasses their monument.

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Here where a thousand
captains swore grand conquest
Tall grasses their monument.


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