Regarding Chinese spies

Moderator: Tibetan Buddhism moderators

Regarding Chinese spies

Postby lotwell » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:30 am

Regarding Chinese spies (Tib: rGya nak ki so pa):

How to identify them?

:sage:

Lotwell
lotwell
 
Posts: 64
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:59 pm

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby philji » Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:18 pm

They wouldn't be a very good spy if it was that easy would it???
philji
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon May 09, 2011 2:26 pm

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby Matylda » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:45 pm

lotwell wrote:Regarding Chinese spies (Tib: rGya nak ki so pa):

How to identify them?

:sage:

Lotwell


What do you mean by Chinese spies? In China? This is easy... in Tibet, that is easy too... in the West? well depends on ones own experience with Chinese... but basically they have spy nature and it is long historical tradition.

in modern Tibetan buddhism.. well there are a lot in Tibet and pretty much outside. There are some ''tulkus'' recognized by Chinese, and the number rapidly grew up.. those Tibetans get substantial benefits and profits and serve well Chinese party and gov. they also frequent other Asian countries and the West as well.. some got sort of popularity, getting good money, nice centeres and a lot of people working for them :) those are good spies...
Matylda
 
Posts: 343
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 3:32 pm

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby Jinzang » Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:37 am

Back in the Fifties the US Communist Party could tell who was an FBI informant by how punctually they paid their dues. The informants were never late, the real party members sometimes were late or forgot. A spy is going to act purer than pure, "more Catholic than the Pope," as the saying goes.
Lamrim, lojong, and mahamudra are the unmistaken path.
Jinzang
 
Posts: 383
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:11 am

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby Yudron » Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:52 am

I've heard that Lamas who are on the Chinese Communist Party payroll, within China, are easily distinguished by their great personal wealth. Some are said to be rewarded for spreading false rumors about lamas who are seen as being aligned with the Dalai Lama, and sowing discord between gompas within China.

I've heard first hand reports that fake monks and nuns who follow tourist groups around wearing Dalai Lama buttons, and are seen again and again where ever they go, on buses and milling about listening. They say it is incredibly obvious. Also, one day you will see someone dressed as a lay person, the next dressed as monk.

It can be assumed that there are people assigned to read Dharma sites like this.
Yudron
 
Posts: 1054
Joined: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:55 pm
Location: Sunny California

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby Jinzang » Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:56 am

It can be assumed that there are people assigned to read Dharma sites like this.


If so, they're wasting their money. It's easy enough to download the posts, put them in a database, and then do content analysis to generate any reports they require.
Lamrim, lojong, and mahamudra are the unmistaken path.
Jinzang
 
Posts: 383
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:11 am

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby Yudron » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:22 am

Jinzang wrote:
It can be assumed that there are people assigned to read Dharma sites like this.


If so, they're wasting their money. It's easy enough to download the posts, put them in a database, and then do content analysis to generate any reports they require.


I would call that loosely "reading."
Yudron
 
Posts: 1054
Joined: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:55 pm
Location: Sunny California

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby Sherlock » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:46 am

Well, I can't really say that much, but definitely not all the tulkus recognized by the government are informants. Most monks regardless of school are still loyal to the Dalai Lama.
Sherlock
 
Posts: 825
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:14 pm

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby ngodrup » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:51 am

Spies in general are known to each other regardless of who they work for.
For example, there's a well known air show in Paris, all the spies attend...
The schmooze each other and pretend they aren't recognized. How can it be
much different in Asia?
ngodrup
 
Posts: 617
Joined: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:58 pm

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby Matylda » Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:57 am

Sherlock wrote:Well, I can't really say that much, but definitely not all the tulkus recognized by the government are informants. Most monks regardless of school are still loyal to the Dalai Lama.


Yes, not ALL.. but MANY... and those imposters are also VERY loyal to HH :)
Matylda
 
Posts: 343
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 3:32 pm

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby lisehull » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:49 pm

Where do you guys get your information? It seems more like you are making it up. . . :toilet:
Lise
lisehull
 
Posts: 126
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:39 pm

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby JohnRammy » Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:04 pm

I can cite academic sources, that say the Chinese government forces monks to worship Dorje Shugden, denounce the Dalai Lama etc.

Not to mention the numerous other bullshit activities the PRC does.
Everything lacks the identity (atman) imputed by mere conceptual labels.
JohnRammy
 
Posts: 88
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:42 am

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby Matylda » Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:18 pm

lisehull wrote:Where do you guys get your information? It seems more like you are making it up. . . :toilet:
Lise


We guys get it from well known teachers, Rinpoches, and lamas who know situation in Tibet.. we also know it since we have been in China and had pretty wide contact with Buddhists and teachers over there... misinformed and naive cannot imagine how to get info :) so you guys are simply living in a cloud of delusion concerning the situation in Tibet proper and Kham/Amdo region...

Moreover those Tibetan impostors got already to the West and gathered even some students... and tried even to get close to HH in Western countries during his numerous visits.. we guys witnessed such things. With our own guys' eyes...
Matylda
 
Posts: 343
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 3:32 pm

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby lisehull » Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:03 am

I am not denying the accuracy of your comments, per se, just wanting to know your sources. You still haven't given specific sources for your information.
:thanks:
Lise
lisehull
 
Posts: 126
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:39 pm

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby catmoon » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:33 am

Spies are very clever in the means they adopt to avoid suspicion. I hear some of them even post queries about how to detect spies on Buddhist boards, to make it look like they can't be spies. Then they carefully document all the replies and take them home and use them to teach all the other spies how Buddhists detect them.


:alien:
Sergeant Schultz knew everything there was to know.
User avatar
catmoon
Former staff member
 
Posts: 3006
Joined: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:20 am
Location: British Columbia

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby heart » Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:18 am

"And the spies came out of the water
But you're feeling so bad cos you know
But the spies hide out in every corner
But you can't touch them no
Cos they're all spies
They're all spies"

Coldplay
"To reject practice by saying, 'it is conceptual!' is the path of fools. A tendency of the inexperienced and something to be avoided."
- Longchenpa
User avatar
heart
 
Posts: 3121
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:55 pm

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby philji » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:16 pm

This thread is such a waste of time....
philji
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon May 09, 2011 2:26 pm

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby Yudron » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:52 pm

lisehull wrote:I am not denying the accuracy of your comments, per se, just wanting to know your sources. You still haven't given specific sources for your information.
:thanks:
Lise


Lisa, I get my specific information from lamas who live in Tibet, and Chinese friends who live in the U.S. now. Of course we're not going to give their names. It's pretty much a characteristic of this kind of regime that they monitor their citizens for any potential threat to the status quo as closely as possible.
Yudron
 
Posts: 1054
Joined: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:55 pm
Location: Sunny California

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby Jikan » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:25 pm

Espionage is always on, but at present the heat may be turned up a bit higher. There's a political crisis in China right now. I hope it doesn't shock our friends who may be spies a-readin' this thread to know that we can usually tell there's a crisis in China when the CPC starts propagandizing against the Japanese over some obscure issue or another, or over History in general. And it's in the news.

Given the current situation in Tibet (immolations...), it may well be that sites such as this one are under particular scrutiny. So, if anyone has anything they'd like to see filed away by the 'bots of Beijing (and maybe a few human spies too), say it here.

I'll go first: the Situationist International was right about you. Look it up.
Jikan
Site Admin
 
Posts: 5495
Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:04 pm

Re: Regarding Chinese spies

Postby conebeckham » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:45 pm

Right on, Jikan!
May any merit generated by on-line discussion
Be dedicated to the Ultimate Benefit of All Sentient Beings.
User avatar
conebeckham
 
Posts: 2751
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA

Next

Return to Tibetan Buddhism

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: heart, Karma Jinpa, Lingpupa, lorem, Norwegian and 22 guests

>