Are thoughts vipaka?

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Are thoughts vipaka?

Postby phil » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:42 am

Hi all

I think I have asked this before elsewhere, but haven't figured it out yet. Sorry if it's been asked already in the archives, I didn't have a look.

Are thoughts vipaka? If I'm not mistaken, mental objects are included as external ayatanas the way forms, sounds, tastes etc are. But are these mental objects thoughts, or something much more ephemeral, or are thoughts a kind of active by-product that comes about as proliferation etc in response to risen objects? I hope that question is clear.

When we wake up, first thing in the morning, it feels as if there are thoughts that come out of nowhere, that arise as a resultant of the previous days thinking, for example. And it feels like those thoughts are vipaka. But I would guess that the correct answer is that thoughts are conceptual and therefore are not dhammas, and cannot be vipaka. Mental objects that are external ayatanas must be something far more fleeting than thoughts. Right?

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Re: Are thoughts vipaka?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:03 am

Greetings Phil,

That's an interesting question.

Often we hear that one of the consequences of creating negative kamma is the grief that comes from reflecting on or remembering the evil deeds that one has done.

Are those thoughts vipaka?

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Re: Are thoughts vipaka?

Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:20 am

this is a good question, thinking plays a part in creating kamma, but is it also the result of it? i'd think to an extent it is... but i dont know, maybe there's some grey area? maybe this is an abhidhamma question?
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Re: Are thoughts vipaka?

Postby phil » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:38 am

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: Are thoughts vipaka?

Postby phil » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:11 am

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: Are thoughts vipaka?

Postby Individual » Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:22 pm

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Are thoughts vipaka?

Postby phil » Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:01 am

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)


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