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Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:13 pm

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:27 pm

Women only forums? :tongue:
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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:32 pm

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Ben » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:43 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby plwk » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:44 pm


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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:46 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:48 pm

plwk It is a matter of observation from all sorts of data that Jnana4's assumptions are correct.
For anyone who came here from E Sangha it is doubly clear.

But hold a poll....why not ?
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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:49 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:56 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby mlswe » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:57 pm

when did it go from, why are there more men on the buddhist forums to it is a problem that there are more men on the buddhist forums?


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i think it is a problem, for both men and women, but i am interested nonetheless
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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:58 pm

Ben I have no doubt that no one intends any discrimination towards female members or would be moderators.

However what I think has evolved is a culture that reinforces male values and male culture.

And at the risk of producing a circular argument, if what I have said is true then you might well miss it mightn't you ?

I think that a non emotional reading through of much of the day to day content of the forum, its style and "feel " would confirm that.
By contrast have a similar read through ZFI which I do not belong to but sometimes read, and it is far less " male" in character, and I dont just mean the proportion of men to women.
Fact..A lot of women join this forum. Fact.... most do not stay.
I don't think that this can be dismissed as women " giving up " or being fickle.
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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:00 pm

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Justsit » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:05 pm

Strictly personal report here - I visit online forums to learn. That means I generally have nothing much of import to say, preferring to lurk quietly. I will occasionally ask a question or make a short comment, but, as I practice in a different tradition, feel it is often inappropriate for me to interject my view, as it is sometimes significantly different from many of the members' here. I also find that frequent posting of my personal opinion subtly feeds ego, and is better avoided.

I also visit several other fora, and find the general dearth of women participating to be the norm. There are several women I know who frequent these boards as well, but rarely post; the general consensus is that most of us feel we have not studied enough to enter many of the "deeper" discussions and hold our own, and also usually try to avoid posting mindless blah blah blah. The women practitioners with many years of experience do not seem to visit any online discussions.

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:12 pm

Which of course is part of a wider cultural issue Justsit...no one is selecting DW as a special or particular problem.
The fact is if lots of male egos start kicking a ball around with lots of testosterone fulled vigour women will retreat...
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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:14 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby mlswe » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:14 pm


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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:29 pm

Getting back to the original topic,

My belief has always been that discrimination implies a conscious decision to exclude someone, not a lack of effort to go out of your way to invite specific groups of people and make specific groups of people comfortable. My opinion is that if a group welcomes everyone in general, if someone feels uncomfortable for being different from the rest of the crowd, it is their place to put themselves forward, start conversations and make themselves comfortable.

I use boards that are balanced by sex and I use one that is dominated by women ( theppk.com, vegan recipe site ).

Based on those experiences I don't think there is a "culture of the sexes", just people being who they are.

As far as the reason, I think TMigiver probably is right, birds of a feather flock together. It is human nature. People feel comfortable talking around people who are similar to them.
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In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Ben » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:30 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby kirk5a » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:55 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Jun 14, 2011 2:03 pm

At the risk of being lynched by an all women mob; maybe what is needed is a forum with a kindly male (older man preferably :tongue: ) moderator stimulating discussion in an all women forum. Sort of reminds me that this is how (well not exactly) the Buddha wanted his Bhikkunis to reside - under the 'shelter' of a Monk ( please correct me if I am wrong).
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