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What's the path of a paccekabuddha

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What's the path of a paccekabuddha

Postby chownah » Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:31 am

Buddhists have the 4 noble truths and the eight fold noble path.....but the paccekabuddha attains release without ever learning these from anyone....I guess. So what does a paccekabuddha have for a path? Speculation is fine but it would be nice if it was somehow based on scripture...but of course pure speculation is fine too even if it is just based on ones experiences.
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Re: What's the path of a paccekabuddha

Postby BlackBird » Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:34 am

The Buddha never spoke about pursuing it as a goal.
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: What's the path of a paccekabuddha

Postby Ben » Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:41 am

Greetings Chownah,
Ledi Sayadaw mentions it briefly in his Manual of the Excellent Man. I don;t have my copy with me presently but from memory it seems very similar to the path of the Bodhisatta aspirant. The difference between the Bodhisatta aspirant, the pacekhabuddha-to-be and the chief disciple aspirants is the time they spend developing their paramitas before making their aspiration in front of a living Buddha who then predicts their future as a Sammasambuddha, paccekabuddha or Savaka.
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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
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Re: What's the path of a paccekabuddha

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:03 am

Greetings Chownah,

I see no reason to see why it's any different in essence to what the Buddha did, other than that the paccekabuddha doesn't have inclination and/or skill to build a dispensation.

Not being inclined towards commentary unfounded in sutta, I don't think the paramitas have anything to do with it.

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Re: What's the path of a paccekabuddha

Postby cooran » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:15 am

Hello chownah,

This might be of interest:
The Paccekabuddha: A Buddhist Ascetic - A Study of the Concept of the Paccekabuddha in Pali Canonical and Commentarial Literature
by Ria Kloppenborg
http://www.bps.lk/olib/wh/wh305.pdf

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Re: What's the path of a paccekabuddha

Postby Ben » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:16 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: What's the path of a paccekabuddha

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:23 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: What's the path of a paccekabuddha

Postby Ben » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:48 am

Equally baffling is the assumption that someone such as Ledi Sayadaw, Aggamaha-pandita, the pre-eminent Buddhist scholar of his day, and possibly the greatest Theravadin scholar-monk since Buddhaghosa, didn't know what he was talking about.
I might be wrong but I don;t think there is anyone here qualified to critique the commentarians.
Sorry!
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: What's the path of a paccekabuddha

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:07 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: What's the path of a paccekabuddha

Postby chownah » Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:08 pm

Cooran and Ben,
Thanks for the references...I've downloaded both and will study later.
Thanks again,
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Re: What's the path of a paccekabuddha

Postby BlackBird » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:33 am

Since when did commentaries and commentators become infallible to the point that no common man has the right to critique them?

Ben I figure your statements come from a position of deep reverence and I do not mean to insult or discredit that reverence, but perhaps we can agree that there might be value in giving precedence to what the Buddha has said above all else, since as devout practitioners we take the assumption that the Buddha was in fact blameless and infallible and that we cannot say for sure whether the same is true of a venerable scholar monk no matter how grand his reputation.
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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: What's the path of a paccekabuddha

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Re: What's the path of a paccekabuddha

Postby chownah » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:04 pm

I have read some of the info from the links but not all...I have a question which might be answered in that info but thought I'd post the question now to let those involved in the discussion of commentaries have a breather and get refreshed for the next round....the question is:
I have read a few times before that paccekabuddah can only arise when the dhamma does not exist in the world....but what I have read so far indicates that they arise when there is no Buddha in the world...seems like a sigificant difference....I'll keep reading the downloaded info and will keep an eye out for this but perhaps someone can direct me to the info inregards to.
OK....times up....round two!!!!.........ding!
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