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Theravdan vs Mahayana view of objective reality

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Postby Ben » Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:58 am

thanks for the clarification Chris!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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in mountain clefts and chasms,
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Postby ground » Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:26 am

Since there is no answer it is called a "koan" ... I understand that trying to anwer an unanswerable question is the characteristic of "practicing a koan". The effect may be "inner" seclusion, i.e. a relaxed mind that does not take up anything.

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Postby alan » Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:51 am

No, No, No!
The Koan is an attempt to create a breakthrough from the rational to the "spiritual"--a new understanding of the nature of reality. Supposedly the mind will leap to a higher plane encompassing a non-dual understanding...Blah Blah Blah. I don't get into this kind of thing, but there are followers who seem to have benefited from it.
The second question is not existential. There is no reason to compare them.

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Postby alan » Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:07 am

Please do tell.

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Postby christopher::: » Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:44 am

Implicit in this view is that there is an objective world that exists, that trees sway, planets spin, birds fly, winds blow clouds of moisture thru the sky...

What is "subjectively" fabricated by thought are the names (trees, planets, birds, wind) and how those are perceived by the senses (how they look, sound, taste)... but that if all humans were to suddenly disappear from the earth the same "actions of Nature" would be happening, just not named or perceived by humans.

If you don't agree with this then you are adding your own doubts, based on speculation. Which is fine (and you might be right to do so)! I could be "wrong" and we all have to make some form of concept based speculation (construction of a view) to even discuss this.
"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230


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