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Changes to lay life

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Changes to lay life

Postby rowyourboat » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:25 am

I have heard that some monks before they ordained 'lived like monks' living a lay life. I would like to ask the Bhikkus here (and Bhikkunis as well), what changes to lay life would you suggest before getting ordained, in preparation?

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Re: Changes to lay life

Postby daverupa » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:29 am

:popcorn:

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Re: Changes to lay life

Postby rowyourboat » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:27 pm

Hi Daverupa,

All that popcorn..

How about practicing these things:?

modesty
contentment
seclusion
non-entanglement
arousing persistence
virtue
concentration
discernment
release
knowledge & vision of release
:smile:

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Re: Changes to lay life

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:32 pm

Greetings RYB,

Having narrowed your list of potential respondees to the presently ordained, there may well be a lot of popcorn required to tide us over until there is a response.

:popcorn:

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Changes to lay life

Postby rowyourboat » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:46 pm

With Metta

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Re: Changes to lay life

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:51 pm

Greetings RYB,

So when you say you're interested in hearing from Bhikkhus and Bhikkhunis, you're also interested in hearing from the Buddha (by way of sutta), then that opens things up a bit more.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Changes to lay life

Postby bodom » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:04 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Changes to lay life

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Re: Changes to lay life

Postby rowyourboat » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:36 pm

Thank you Bodom- your posts are often spot on. I wondered if there should be a thread here about what the Buddha said about being ordained, in the sutta pitaka- if someone else is interested in starting one, I will contribute.

Bodom, what do you think - nacca Gita vadita seems to about sensual pleasure- would it be enough to remove craving to these? Probably not..

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Re: Changes to lay life

Postby bodom » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:34 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Changes to lay life

Postby ground » Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:24 am


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Re: Changes to lay life

Postby mlswe » Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:14 pm

what i can think of now:

if you have time off and want to travel, choose a monastary over the beach :)

try to keep the eight precepts as many days as possible and to reflect on renounciation even while keeping 5

minimize exposure to foolish and negligent people and maximise with wise and good

minimize superflous time and energy stealing activities to open up your days for meditation, contemplation and study


as i see it the extent of preparation is very dependant on how one has to make a living
Last edited by mlswe on Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: Changes to lay life

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:14 am

Hi mlswe, Thank you. - a breath of fresh air+great advice :bow:
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