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Theravdan vs Mahayana view of objective reality

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He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Theravdan vs Mahayana view of objective reality

Postby m0rl0ck » Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:03 pm

Ok thank you all for your comments. So what im getting out of this thread so far is that there is nothing specific in the theravadan view that would not allow for the interpretation of reality along the lines of modern physics, that is that as in schroedingers cat, "reality" is a sort of probability field that collapses on observation into a particular case.

is that correct?
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Theravdan vs Mahayana view of objective reality

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What you get out of the thread is apparently, what you bring to the thread. From a Theravadin viewpoint the question does not compute, but rather than turning your attention to the validity of your question in a Theravadin context you just keep rephrasing it. This is in part a result of your default denial of any difference between the Mahayana and Theravadin view. Which suggests to you that if you can just find the right form of words the fact that they are the same will be made obvious to all.

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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Theravdan vs Mahayana view of objective reality

Postby beeblebrox » Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:38 pm

What does the tea have to say about coffee? Nothing... they're completely unrelated, apart from the fact that they're beverages. Trying to find similarities based on them being beverages is a fallacy. Does coffee make the tea invalid as a beverage? That kind of thing doesn't make any sense.

Buddhism and physics are two different systems, with two completely different goals. They each have clear limits. One was laid out by the Buddha (the suffering, and its cessation), and the other is laid out by the scientific method (observe, set hypothesis, experiment, verify, set conclusion, and develop models).

You can use science to supplement your practice, but the limits remain there. Papañca is not good for a practice.

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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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