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Formal Refuge

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism

Have you taken formal Theravadin Refuge ?

Poll ended at Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:29 pm

Yes
13
45%
No
16
55%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: Formal Refuge

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby PeterB » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:42 am

:smile:

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby Dan74 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:57 am

_/|\_

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby PeterB » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:54 pm

In a different tradition Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche said.." It is amazing how deep these apparently optional rituals go . "

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby Pārasamgate » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:23 pm

Can you tell me what the Theravada precepts are? Is this the 12 point formula also found in the Tibetan Gelug tradition?



I am looking for the origin to this 12 point formula. If it is also found in Theravada traditions that would certainly help to narrow it down.

Thanks!

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby Aloka » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:28 pm

Can I ask Theravadins a question here, please ?

I took formal Vajarayana Refuge years ago with a Tibetan tulku. However, even though I repeat the Theravada refuge (without the lama part in it) now that I've changed to Theravada, does that not count for Theravadins and should I do it formally again ?


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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby Ytrog » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:49 pm

No...

But I will soon. :)

And I chant it each time before meditation (in Pali).

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby Goofaholix » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:26 pm

Hundreds of times!

In traditional Theravadin cultures it's not uncomon to go for refuge weekly, or even daily, depending on how often you attend a monastery.

I'm not really sure why on Dhammawheel it's regarded as some kind of conversion experience, it's not like getting born again.

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby bodom » Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:20 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:34 pm

• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby bodom » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:10 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby PeterB » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:51 pm


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Re: Formal Refuge

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby Monkey Mind » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:56 pm

"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

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Re: Formal Refuge

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby Aloka » Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:46 am

Thank you for the feedback, bodom.


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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby PeterB » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:58 am


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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby Ben » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:22 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby PeterB » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:38 am

Its a transformative experience isnt it Ben ?
I have not been to Myanmar, but i have taken Refuge in other settings where people are not preoccupied by self consciousness or up to their eyes in parsing translations of Pali. Where practice is both a thing of the heart and the head.
And where on occasion there is a sense of a tribal identity which enhances, rather than detracts from, individual effort.

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Re: Formal Refuge

Postby Ben » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:46 am

Transformative, yes. But the transformation had been happening for me slowly for many years. So, you could say I was well and truely primed by the time I was in the Hall of Dhamma Mandala.
It was in Myanmar that the great Ayerwaddy of saddha and gratitude began to flow like it never had before and my life had changed forever.
Anyway, enough about me...
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

(Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • •

e: [email protected]..


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