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Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby catmoon » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:54 pm

Yup I'm in that mood again.

Looking around at the general decrepit state of things, I think it is long past time to get out some clean sheets of paper and map out new directions.
Unfortunately the best I can come up with is: Swedish Chef Buddhism!

Omee homey mani bjarn pardme doo de doo
Hum de dum dum dum de dum bjork bjork bjork!



Hey I warned ya.... this is what happens when you post before morning coffee.
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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby Indrajala » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:55 pm

catmoon wrote:
Hey I warned ya.... this is what happens when you post before morning coffee.


You need a double double from Tims.

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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby deepbluehum » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:56 pm

Is this a joke?

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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby DGA » Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:25 pm

The best way to reform Buddhism is to reform Buddhists into Buddhas.

I'll start with myself.
I don't know anything about Hongaku Jodo.

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=22229

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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby mindyourmind » Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:39 pm

catmoon wrote:Yup I'm in that mood again.

Looking around at the general decrepit state of things, I think it is long past time to get out some clean sheets of paper and map out new directions.
Unfortunately the best I can come up with is: Swedish Chef Buddhism!

Omee homey mani bjarn pardme doo de doo
Hum de dum dum dum de dum bjork bjork bjork!



Hey I warned ya.... this is what happens when you post before morning coffee.


"The general decrepit state of things"? But that's what the "old" Buddhism tells us we will find. And it (the "old" system) tells us how to address that.

Why reinvent the perfect wheel?
Dualism is the real root of our suffering and all of our conflicts.

Namkhai Norbu

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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:45 pm

catmoon wrote:Yup I'm in that mood again.

Looking around at the general decrepit state of things, I think it is long past time to get out some clean sheets of paper and map out new directions.
Unfortunately the best I can come up with is: Swedish Chef Buddhism!

Omee homey mani bjarn pardme doo de doo
Hum de dum dum dum de dum bjork bjork bjork!



Hey I warned ya.... this is what happens when you post before morning coffee.
I reckon you should get together with "lobster" and work something out together.
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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby viniketa » Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:03 pm

gregkavarnos - Your name has a greenish tinge to it... Did I miss an announcement??

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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby DharmaKitty » Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:18 am

Jikan wrote:The best way to reform Buddhism is to reform Buddhists into Buddhas.

I'll start with myself.



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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby plwk » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:00 am

Catty... I warned ya abt the catnip now didn't I...

Reform Buddhism? See below...

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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:58 am

viniketa wrote:gregkavarnos - Your name has a greenish tinge to it... Did I miss an announcement??
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10575&start=0 :smile:
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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby Astus » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:15 am

The only reform Buddhism always needs is more realised beings and less traditionalism-ritualism. But it is happening anyway.

"You are all already perfect buddhas."
"I'm not."
"OK, you're not."
(á la Life of Brian)
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.


1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"

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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby ram peswani » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:40 am

All the present teachers of Buddhism should be admitted to a school where Lotus Sutra is taught.
Biggest mistake of these blogs is that serious teachings of Guatam Buddha are brought out without basic understanding that Mahayana and Hinayana teachings of Guatam Buddha can be opposite of each other.

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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby lobster » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:57 am

I reckon you should get together with "lobster" and work something out together.
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That will be the job of the maitreya.
However after coffee we might start with the 3 Noble Truths . . .

Existence is joy (yep don't expect that to be true for a few hundred years yet)
There is a party
Everyones invited

Now as you know not all of us are joy enabled and party ready.
You are probably wondering, what sort of party bodhisattvas attend?
:woohoo: :popcorn: :meditate: :group: :applause:

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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:48 am

ram peswani wrote:All the present teachers of Buddhism should be admitted to a school where Lotus Sutra is taught.
Even Theravadra teachers? I mean, you do know that Theravadrans do not accept the Lotus Sutra as canonical
Biggest mistake of these blogs is that serious teachings of Guatam Buddha are brought out without basic understanding that Mahayana and Hinayana teachings of Guatam Buddha can be opposite of each other.
Actually you will find that even Mahayana teachings tend to contradict each other a lot of the time.
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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby ram peswani » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:59 am

[quote="gregkavarnos"

Even Theravadra teachers? I mean, you do know that Theravadrans do not accept the Lotus Sutra as canonical
They are right in this,as the journey of Lotus sutra starts where Theravadran teachings end.

Actually you will find that even Mahayana teachings tend to contradict each other a lot of the time.


for example?

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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:46 pm

Dear ram,

I do not have the time to reread the major Mahayana Sutras to give you details, if you have the time and inclination (I know you have the capacity) I would recommed you read and compare the Lotus Sutra with the Lankavatara, Shurangma, Vimalamitra, Avatamsaka and Vajracchedika Sutras. Of course you will find many common points but you will also find many contradictions.

Off the top of my head some major points of contention are:

The nature of the Tahagatagarbha.
The classifications of the levels of mind (especially the arguments around the Alaya).
The existence or not of material reality.
etc...

Happy reading! :smile:
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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby Dknaga12 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:49 am

This is what the 3 kayas of reformed buddhism looks like before morning coffee...

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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby mindyourmind » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:37 am

Dknaga12 wrote:This is what the 3 kayas of reformed buddhism looks like before morning coffee...




Yes, I've met that woman - often. Strange, it's always early in the morning when I do ....
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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby Dknaga12 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:15 am

Your comment brought a smile to my face. Just what was needed for today :)
Thank you!

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Re: Time to reform Buddhism entirely.

Postby oldbob » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:29 am

Lots of smiles - :smile: :smile: :smile: :thanks: :twothumbsup:

Warning: posted before coffee :alien: :stirthepot: :alien:

Especially liked:

"However after coffee we might start with the 3 Noble Truths . . .

Existence is joy (yep don't expect that to be true for a few hundred years yet)
There is a party
Everyones invited"

Well, who doesn't like a party? Hmnnnnn: party / suffering : party / suffering : party / suffering: somehow, I think the party will win.

From a Buddhist perspective maybe we are all on "Double secret Probation."

Warning: contains foul language - but is REALLY funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18eaNSxh ... ure=fvwrel

"Hello mother, I knew it was you", is a line from a song that might apply to the "new 3 kayas" picture. The picture actually does remind me, a little, of my old lady friend, Kaya, before coffee: three Kayas - the mind boggles!

Lots of weird stuff in the world. Actually think that the picture might be from the Central Park, NYC, Summer flash / dance /rave event where there is a free circus of 100 acts, like this, to wonder at. Discovered the rave while walking around the park with Charlie Morley, after attending one of his excellent Dream Yoga courses, which took place in the park.

http://www.charliemorley.com/

But to restate a possible before coffee topic:

How do we recast Swedish Chef Buddhism into recipes for tasty dishes, to the liking of all sentient beings, and make a feast that is permanently renewable and can feed everyone?

Perhaps "someone" could contact the heads of all Buddhist groups, and ask them to contribute to an introductory practice wiki, to be hosted on the web. Maybe this could be a new section on DW.

Putting aside all doctrinal formulations / preference, and concentrating on practices, would allow new comers to get a taste of Buddhism from within each group's frame of reference, and then decide which path they would like to explore further. A taste of individual experience, according to the practice style of each group, could be each individuals practical take away from the practice wiki. This could then lead to contacting the various groups / lineage holders - taking transmission, as applicable, memorizing the Tripitaka, Mahayana Sutras, Kangyur etc. and going to retreats and seminars for a few lifetimes.

This is the party. Any Swedish meatball (tofu) recipes out there?

https://www.google.it/search?q=swedish+ ... 46&bih=564

:smile:

ob
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