Buddhism - a religion for liberals.

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Buddhism - a religion for liberals.

Postby Martyn » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:50 pm

We all feel a longing for spirituality; yes even atheists.

But in the west, we are programmed to be materialists.

How to reconcile the two?

Buddhism is the closest thing to a materialist religion; it doesn't need a creator god nor a messiah, and we can turn a blind eye to the supernatural s... sorry I'm unable to say the word - the things that don't agree with materialism - such as karma and rebirth.

I dunno, to me, it's not very spiritual.

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Postby CrawfordHollow » Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:04 pm

Perhaps I am reading your post wrong, so forgive me but- if one is a Buddhist how could one turn a blind eye on karma and rebirth? I don't have much time to express myself at the moment, but I don't know how you can equate Buddhism with any form of materialism. Sorry gotta go...

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Postby greentara » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:40 pm

Martyn, "But in the west, we are programmed to be materialists." I think Asians are just as materialistic as westerners sometimes even more so. If you've ever looked into a casino 80% are Asian; gambling is huge in the community. East or west there are only small pockets of sincere seekers.

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Re: Buddhism - a religion for liberals.

Postby zerwe » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:38 am

I agree with the other posters I am not sure of your use of the term "materialist" and how you equate this to Buddhist philosophy.
If anything the Buddhist point of view emphasizes a rejection of the unrealistic projections or expectations that we impute upon all external phenomena.
(i.e., that happiness is achievable through experiences dependent upon external phenomena or, if you will, experience of or accumulation of material objects, wealth, etc...)
This in my opinion is a form of anti-materialism.

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Re: Buddhism - a religion for liberals.

Postby Grigoris » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:17 am

I'm still waiting for Martyn to tie in the "liberals" bit.
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Postby catmoon » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:26 pm

Buddhist jihad? Promoted by the the Dalai Lama? You have got to be kidding. There is not a less warlike fellow in the world than the Dalai Lama.

Anyhow please refer to the ToS before making undocumented accusations at respected gurus.
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Re: Buddhism - a religion for liberals.

Postby conebeckham » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:57 pm

This whole "Kalachakra Jihad" thing is a lot of nonsense, Lobster. the only jihad is internal, against our own ignorance.


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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Re: Buddhism - a religion for liberals.

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Postby lobster » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:42 pm

In both kalachakra and Islamic Jihad, the jihad journey is internal, as stated. However politics makes no concessions to such niceties or truths. His Holiness the Dalai Lama, like the Queen is Head of the Anglican church, is also a head of state. So there are political machinations involved:


However we have no need to involve ourselves in such stances. It is a bit like the Pope representing Christ or Avalokitevara on earth. When we respect on the basis of emanated authority, we can get away with anything . . . now then . . .. now then . . .

Buddhism liberal? I would suggest it can be and should ideally be a-political.

:rules: being followed? Apologies if not . . .

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Re: Buddhism - a religion for liberals.

Postby Grigoris » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:56 am

Careful about using the trimondi stuff to support your point lobster, there's a lot of truth in the stuff they say but a lot of lies too. Sometimes it can be a bit hard to sift the two apart.
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