Does the first world need stress?

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Does the first world need stress?

Postby Indrajala » Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:05 pm

I was having a discussion with a friend today and we concluded that the first world actually needs stress in order to maintain its standard of living.

In short, in order to sustain economic activity and productivity on a scale which permits a first world standard of living you need to educate the citizenry to be largely docile and obedient workers willing to surrender 40 or more hours of their week in the service of the economy (this started during the industrial revolution when education systems were designed to produce reliable industrial workers).

The workforce needs to be punctual, reliable and more importantly solely dependent on their employment as a means of earning a living. If they're not solely dependent on their employment for their livelihood then when they get sick of work they'll be prone to quit. Instead they keep working a job they hate because they feel they have to and hence the stress problems of our present day in the first world.

In the case of a third world country, a dysfunctional education system means most people will not necessarily be so readily responsive to supervision from managers, let alone the abstract notion of a schedule, all of which comes with a solid industrial-style education. Not having a punctual, reliable and docile workforce makes it extremely difficult to maintain a first world infrastructure, government and economy. On the other hand with such freedom people might not be subject to the same kind of stress workers continually experience in the first world. They might be poor, but not suffering the same kind of stress first world workers are apt to suffer.

On the other hand, if you want to enjoy the benefits of a first world economic and social structure, most people will need to be working nine to five, or something equivalent, continually throughout their adult lives to perpetuate the economic activity needed to have such things like street lights, 24 hour hospitals, well stocked grocery stores, ambulance services, garbage disposal, good public schools and public health departments.

Basically, you need vast economic activity charged by an active though well-supervised workforce in order to have a first world standard of living, though it comes with a price, which is the problem of stress.
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Re: Does the first world need stress?

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:32 pm

Somewhat related thought: I recently had a conversation where we were discussing whether Buddhism was in fact a bourgeois religion. I.e. Buddhism in third world countries (if you're not a monk) consists of one basic practice: "Great Buddha please bless me and my family so today and tomorrow we can get enough to eat".

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Re: Does the first world need stress?

Postby Dave The Seeker » Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:46 pm

I'm not really sure stress is the term I'd use in this situation. It does seem to fit, but stress to me is the overwhelming feeling of 'how do I do all of this and still find enjoyment in my life'.

The first world is in all reality people who are slaves to the I need more syndrome.
As in the competing with the Jones' effect. They have this, I need that but a better version, or that plus this to have more than they do. I see this more in the way the younger generation is acting towards each other than my generation.

Greed.........it is raising it's ugly head higher than I've seen it in my life.
Sure we all like to have nice things and be 'set' for life. A good job, insurance and a retirement plan. That has become a lost hope now for many people in the US, and other countries that are considered first world areas.
There is a major change in the economic world, which in my opinion, means we'll all be in the same boat soon and we'll have to relearn how to function as a society. But that's just my view.
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Re: Does the first world need stress?

Postby Indrajala » Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:46 pm

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Postby Indrajala » Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:51 pm

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Re: Does the first world need stress?

Postby Pero » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:15 pm

Does the first world need stress? In your post you've indicated some causes of stress I guess but you haven't indicated why stress would be needed. And I think it isn't in any case. Stress is a thing of the mind, what someone might find stressful someone else might not etc.
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Postby Indrajala » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:19 pm

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Postby Pero » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:48 pm

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Re: Does the first world need stress?

Postby Matt J » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:07 pm

In theory, we could run on eustress as opposed to distress.

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If only there is no picking or choosing
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