Seven Point Instruction on Bodhicitta Question

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Re: Seven Point Instruction on Bodhicitta Question

Postby Konchog1 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:37 am

I only have an intellectual understanding but:

Dave The Seeker wrote:I am having a really hard time with one person in particular though.
I have seen this person handle mentally handicapped people in a rough way, more than once.
I have restrained myself from acting on this, which I know was a good thing. As I would have hurt him quite badly.
He has also bragged and shown me animals he's shot, some of them mother racoons, who's babies I've tried to feed when I find where they are.

"When I see ill-natured people,
Overwhelmed by wrong deeds and pain,
May I cherish them as something rare,
As though I had found a previous jewel"
-Geshe Langritangpa

An excellent opportunity to practice!

Dave The Seeker wrote:Also I have read about the equalizing and exchanging self and other, but in my thinking, if one does not have compassion as is found in the first step of the seven, what will happen when the person that is/was causing you a 'problem' pops back in the picture? Won't one really fall right back to needing to do the first step of the seven?
Nah, Compassion arises because both of you are just labels. Only suffering exists (in the minds of beings). There is no difference between your suffering and his. It's just suffering.
“After I have said that I want all beings to become buddhas, I get unhappy when harmdoers get even minimal prosperity or honor. This is extremely contradictory.’ You must eliminate your jealousy regarding any sort of attainment by other persons and delight in it from the depths of your heart. Otherwise your Bodhicitta and the achievement of the welfare and happiness of beings are nothing but words.”

-Lam Rim Chen Mo
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Re: Seven Point Instruction on Bodhicitta Question

Postby catmoon » Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:46 am

How about a quote from Jesus?

"Forgive them, lord, for they know not what they do."
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Re: Seven Point Instruction on Bodhicitta Question

Postby Dave The Seeker » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:57 am

Thank you both, those replies do help me to put it in perspective.

Also Konchog1, you're right about the labels, I have to make sure I'm more mindful of that. :namaste:
Everyday problems teach us to have a realistic attitude.
They teach us that life is what life is; flawed.
Yet with tremendous potential for joy and fulfillment.
~Lama Surya Das~

If your path teaches you to act and exert yourself correctly and leads to spiritual realizations such as love, compassion and wisdom then obviously it's worthwhile.
~Lama Thubten Yeshe~

One whose mind is freed does not argue with anyone, he does not dispute with anyone. He makes use of the conventional terms of the world without clinging to them
~The Buddha~
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Re: Seven Point Instruction on Bodhicitta Question

Postby Konchog1 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:07 pm

As Shantideva explains, now we’re basing our concept of “me” on the basis of pieces of somebody else’s body, something that has grown from the sperm and the egg of two other people. It’s not from my own sperm or egg. Basically we’re taking care of something that came from somebody else’s body. So what’s the difference between that and taking care of anybody’s body that has come from other people’s bodies? What is the difference between wiping our own running nose with our finger and wiping the running nose of our baby with our finger, both of which we’re willing to do if necessary; but how is that different from wiping the nose of the drunk lying on the street? As Shantideva says, suffering is to be removed, not because it’s my suffering, or your suffering, but suffering is to be removed simply because it’s suffering and it hurts. So, Shantideva says, suffering has no owner. Just as we can take care of “me” on the basis of this singular body, we can also similarly take care of “me,” in a sense, on the basis of everybody’s bodies.
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“After I have said that I want all beings to become buddhas, I get unhappy when harmdoers get even minimal prosperity or honor. This is extremely contradictory.’ You must eliminate your jealousy regarding any sort of attainment by other persons and delight in it from the depths of your heart. Otherwise your Bodhicitta and the achievement of the welfare and happiness of beings are nothing but words.”

-Lam Rim Chen Mo
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Re: Seven Point Instruction on Bodhicitta Question

Postby Dave The Seeker » Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:50 am

:good:
Everyday problems teach us to have a realistic attitude.
They teach us that life is what life is; flawed.
Yet with tremendous potential for joy and fulfillment.
~Lama Surya Das~

If your path teaches you to act and exert yourself correctly and leads to spiritual realizations such as love, compassion and wisdom then obviously it's worthwhile.
~Lama Thubten Yeshe~

One whose mind is freed does not argue with anyone, he does not dispute with anyone. He makes use of the conventional terms of the world without clinging to them
~The Buddha~
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Re: Seven Point Instruction on Bodhicitta Question

Postby lobster » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:21 am

For racoon killing, disabled, mother molesters . . . it is very advanced keeping such precious jewel company . . . start with a few challeging lamas before going on to the hard teachers . . . :popcorn:
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