Circling in Six realms due to Karma?

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Circling in Six realms due to Karma?

Postby Rakshasa » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:59 am

I believe the law of Karma directly implies that a being will continue to circle from lower realm to higher and then lower again to higher....continuously.

Suppose someone is greedy and filthy rich in this life and looks down upon the poor, and because of accumulation of bad Karma, he gets a rebirth in abject poverty condition. But poor people become humble and less greedy because of their experiences. So because of his next life's experiences and actions as a very poor peasant, the man gains good qualities and again regains good Karmic roots - which give him a birth as a rich man again in the next life. This goes on again and again? I hope, despite my lack of good articulation, most of you understood where I am pointing at.

If someone has done great offenses, broken the precepts and become a hungry ghost in this life, because of immense suffering he will become more compassionate with greater solidarity with other hungry ghosts. Which means, his birth in a higher realm is assured due to his experiences in hell.

And when we analyze this process in a broader perspective, we might as well come to the conclusion that the whole process of birth and rebirth spanning over the six realms is more or less a spontaneous process. If you are born as an animal, your experiences only lead to exhaustion of earlier karma, where as your karma accumulated as an animal being is more or less neutral - which means all animals have a higher birth assured in future?

So can we conclude that the cyclical existence is not only cyclical in the sense of "birth and rebirth" but also in the sense of circling in different states and realms again and again?

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Re: Circling in Six realms due to Karma?

Postby Aemilius » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:21 am

It is not that your experiences in any of the six realms will automatically lead to the exhaustion of karma. It is your active volitions that create new karmic tendencies, that will wipe out, or replace, the previous tendencies. Animals too have volitions, they thus create tendencies that will ripen in a future life

Why is it said that your maintaining karma of a life in a heavenly realm will necessarily end one day? - It is said that a birth in a heavenly state can last for thousands, or millions, or hundred millions etc years. Why can one not continue maintaining the volitions that originally caused the birth in a heavenly realm?

If heavenly realm ends automatically, then why not hell, or human state also?

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Re: Circling in Six realms due to Karma?

Postby JKhedrup » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:42 am

Very well said. That is why the statement is often rendered in the scriptures as "circling cyclic existence due to being under the power of karma and affliction".

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Re: Circling in Six realms due to Karma?

Postby Grigoris » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:11 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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