Ron: Why exactly would a Buddhist want to always encourage more life anyway? Of course being human is most beneficial for spiritual advancement...
Generally, there is consciousness after conception, so willful abortion is considered killing. This issue is to be taken seriously.
However, we live in a world where often a clear-cut right-or-wrong decision is not possible. One needs to consider individual circumstances and make the decisions carefully.
There is no highest decision body in Buddhism that dictates what stance to take on these complicated issues. Instead, we aim to make people understand the karma consequences involved in each decision. For example, if a woman were raped and became pregnant, if she can, through her Buddhist practice, let go of her anger, keep and raise the child in peace, then this would be the best situation where she managed to turn “bad karma” into “good karma.” If she were unable to do this and went through with the abortion, she should seek refuge in the Buddha’s teachings, learn of ways to pacify herself and quench the enmity the aborted child would have toward her.
We should also look deeper into the causes of these problems: delusion, lust, disrespect, and anger, and work on transforming these mental-tendencies in each one of us into wisdom, discipline, respect, and compassion.
Will: you just keep repeating abortion is murder...there is really no sense talking to you on this.
You will find on one here nor pretty much anywhere that states abortion is a good thing.
That just is not being stated by anyone, check the posts....
I will not deny Hsuan Hua was a great teacher and master but his words are his words and they state as will quotes and You-Bin Chen states... the Buddha states..."If one deliberately has an abortion and the fetus dies, one commits 'an offense that cannot be repented of.'"
That is pretty unequivocal. Others in Buddhism state otherwise. Who is wrong or right.....that is a personal decision.
The subject of this thread(the quote), combined with the title..no killing...makes a statement. That statement is.....this is prohibited in Buddhism.....Yes, I take exception to that statement and verse argument opposeing.
It's certainly fine to hold view personally, to combine personal view with lineage holders opinion on that thing and post such not in a place only for lineage holders of Chan but in a general Mahayana place....that may be opposed in general Mahayana contexts...which it is.
If this is moved to Chan view holders only place....I withdraw all comments. Till then I remain with opposition.
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