Hindu defense against Buddhism

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Re: Hindu defense against Buddhism

Postby ram peswani » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:35 am

Hinduism......The highest fruit of living in Hinduism is an Arhant/ Arhat. A total journey starting from Emptiness/ Advaita
and ending in Emptiness/ Advaita. A useless journey. All effort wasted.

Buddhism......The highest fruit is Nirvan via Buddhahood. It results in formation of better and better universes. Life in these
Universes is colourful, free from miseries, artistic and highly innvotive.
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Re: Hindu defense against Buddhism

Postby Rakshasa » Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:54 pm

Mihirakula is said to have razed 1600 viharas, stupas and monasteries, and “put to death 900 Kotis, or lay adherents of Buddhism” [Joshi, 404].

The celebrated Tibetan historian Lama Taranatha mentions the march of Pushyamitra from Madhyadesha to Jalandhara. In the course of his campaigns, the book states, Pushyamitra burned down numerous Buddhist monasteries and killed a number of learned monks The archaeological evidence for the ravages wrought by Pushyamitra and other Hindu fanatic rulers on famous Buddhist shrines is abundant.

The Brhannaradiya-purana lays it down as a principal sin for a Brahmana to enter the house of a Buddhist even in times of great peril.

The drama Mrchchhakatika shows that in Ujjain the Buddhist monks were despised and their sight was considered inauspicious.

The Vishnupurana (XVIII 13-18) also regards the Buddha as Mayamoha who appeared in the world to delude the demons. Kumarila is said to have instigated King Sudhanvan of Ujjain to exterminate the Buddhists.

Yuan Chwang’s account reads, “In recent times Shashanka, the enemy and oppressor of Buddhism, cut down the Bodhi tree, destroyed its roots down to the water and burned what remained.” [Watters II p.115] He also says that Shashanka tried “to have the image (of Lord Buddha at Bodhgaya) removed and replaced by one of Shiva”.

Madhava Acharya, in his “Sankara-digvijayam” of the fourteenth century A.D., records that Suddhanvan “issued orders to put to death all the Buddhists from Ramesvaram to the Himalaya".



Similarly, at Kushinara, where the Buddha had entered into Mahaparinirvana, the cremation stupa had been converted into a Hindu temple, and on top of it stood the temple of Rambhar Bhavani when Cunningham discovered the site in 1860-61.

According to The Rajatarangani (IV/112), Chandradip, a Buddhist ruler of Kashmir, was killed by Brahmins in 722 AD. His successor Tarapida was killed two years later. The newly anointed Brahma-Kshastra (Rajput) rulers usurped power in the kingdoms of Sind and Kota. Graha Varman Maukhari, married to Harsha’s sister, was treacherously killed by Sasanka, king of Gauda (Bengal). He proudly destroyed many stupas and cut down the sacred Bodhi tree at Gaya.

According to Gopinath Rao (East & West Vol 35) the old tribal shrine at Jaganath Puri was usurped by Vaisnavas and the walls of the temple even today displays gory murals recording the beheading and massacre of Buddhists.


Epigraphica India Vol XXIX P 141-144 records that Vira Goggi Deva, a South Indian king, described himself as… “a fire to the Jain scriptures, a hunter of wild beasts in the form of the followers of Jina (Jains) and an adept at the demolition of Buddhist canon”. It also records “the deliberate destruction of non Brahminical literature like books of Lokayat/ Carvaca philosophy by Brihaspati mentioned by Albaruni in the 11th century.” The huge Buddhist complex at Nagarjunakonda was destroyed. According to Shankara Dig Vijaya, the newly anointed Brahma-Kshastra kings ordered every Kshatriya to kill every Buddhist young and old and to also kill those who did not kill the Buddhists. A Jain temple at Huli in Karnataka had a statue of five Jinas (Jain heroes) that was re carved into a Shaivite temple with five lingas.

In Kanauj where Fa Hien had seen two monasteries of Little Vehicle, his successors Song-Yun and Tao-Sheng neither monks nor nuns, though the temples were numerous. This is attributed by him to the Huna invasion.
"But even Kanauj, the metropolis of Harsa, the famed patron of Buddhism and Buddhist pilgrims in the first of the seventh century AD, is seen populated by anti-Buddhist Brahmanas and Deva-worshipers and the number of temples exceeded the viharas"[Pg.298]

"The puranas, the Mrchhakatikas, the Yajnavalkya-smriti, the Rajtarangini, the works of Kumarila and Sankara, the accounts of Chinese travelers, and the histories of Bu-Ston and Taranatha, do seem to point to deeper hatred for Buddhism.""The mounting tide of anti-Buddhist propaganda in Brahmanical literature seems to have reached its apex in the hands of Sankaracharya........Sankara's biography tells us that the great guru led a religious expedition against Bauddhas and caused their destruction from the Himalayas to the Indian Ocean".
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Re: Hindu defense against Buddhism

Postby Rakshasa » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:00 pm

OP,

How do you think Buddhism became so completely obliterated from India that most people even forgot all the Buddhist monks, kings (Ashoka, who was not known in India until Britishers discovered his Stupas), monasteries, the caves were abandoned and almost no original Buddhist sutra was found in India etc? Do you really believe that the Muslims nit-picked the Buddhists (monks and lay disciples) - as if they could tell the difference between Buddhist and Hindu - to slaughter them and left the Hindus unharmed such that today the whole India, except some exceptions is Hindu? And both in North and South?

You got to be kidding me if you believe in that crap. Also, Nalanda monastery is known to have been burned down by Bakhtiar Khilji, but there is evidence that it had already begun to decline before that and it was already burnt once at least two decades before Khilji's massacre.

Dharmasvamin, a Tibetan Buddhist, visited Bihar in 13th century and noted that some rare Buddhist monks had kept Shiva Linga along side Buddha statues in Bodhgaya so that the Hindus do not harass them. Such was the enmity between Hindus and Buddhists. In fact, it was only under the British colonial administration that the birth place of Bodhgaya was handed over to Sri Lankan Buddhists from the Hindu Mahants who had converted it into a Hindu temple and conducted Vedic rituals there.

The best sect of your religion to show to the world, which is Advaita Vedanta, is a direct rip off from Buddhism (especially Madhyamika of Nagarjuna). Gaudapada, who was Sankara's grand teacher, directly admitted in his work for being influenced by Nagarjuna. Shankara to studied under Buddhist monks, but later spent his life destroying Buddhism, called Buddha a liar. How ungrateful could anyone be? Shanakra then went on to promote Brahmanism, which I believe was his real motive, and even said that Shudras should not be allowed to study Vedas. What kind of man is that?


Open your eyes, there is great evidence why Buddhism became so thoroughly extinct from India. You are living in denial if you think that the Muslims cherry picked Buddhist monks and lay disciples and only Buddhist sutras as opposed to Hindus and their texts to destroy them.

Hinduism is not a "tolerant" religion. Of course a religion which has practices like untouchability and caste system sanctioned by religious scripture can't be tolerant at all.
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Re: Hindu defense against Buddhism

Postby Rakshasa » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:20 pm

1. Kautilya's Arthashastra contemptuously describes the followers of Non-Vedic religions Vrsala or Pasanda (Sakyas, Ajivikas etc), assigns them residence at the end of or near cremation grounds. (Arthaśāstra, II.4.23; III.20.16.)

2. Saurapurana says that the Charvakas, Buddhists and Jains should not be allowed to settle in a Kingdom (Saurapurā a, 64.44; 38.54).

3. In Uttar Pradesh, we are told, forty-seven deserted sites of fortified towns in Sultanpur district are the ruins of Buddhist cities which were destroyed by fire when Brāhma ism
won its final victory over Buddhism. (Jha, P 35, "Looking for Hindu identity)

Many Buddhist viharas and temples (also Jain temples) were converted into Shaivite and Vaishnavite temples. Notable examples are the temples of Badrinath, Tirupati and Meenakshipuram of Madurai.

Seriously, anyone who thinks that there was a religion called "Hinduism" which peacefully lived alongside Buddhism and other Shramanic religions is very ignorant of true history.
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Re: Hindu defense against Buddhism

Postby deepbluehum » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:30 pm

Rakshasa is living up to his name.
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Re: Hindu defense against Buddhism

Postby deepbluehum » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:33 pm

Today, India has religious freedom. Sure there are fanatic elements, but Buddhism flourishes in India today.
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Re: Hindu defense against Buddhism

Postby lobster » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:39 am

deepbluehum wrote:Buddhism flourishes in India today.

Give it a few hundred years and the maitriya will have to turn up . . .
Wonderful examples of impermanence and general purpose mayhem in this thread.

I think being kind is an expression rather than a doctrine to be abandoned . . . :smile:
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Re: Hindu defense against Buddhism

Postby ram peswani » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:07 am

I do not blame Hinduism which has pushed buddhism out of India.

I have been on three sites on Buddhism 1. Dharma wheel 2. BWB 3. Free sangha and as well I have gone thro a lot many present Bhuddist saints. I have come to the conclusion that present form of Buddhism has pushed away the REAL BUDDHISM. So in my view Buddhism is extinct on this earth.

There is no difference in thinking of Hinduism and present Bhuddism. Both advocate Arhantship as the sole purpose of practice.

The reason is that the real Buddhism that culminated in Lotus sutra has gone out of practice. Lotus sutra follower can become a bhoddisatva only. Arhanship is a necessary rest station, through which one has to pass. Mahayana sutras which show the path to Lotus sutra are being read without understanding. They are not being practiced, only memorised and discussed to show the knowledge.

This is a pure latter day law of Buddhism as per lotus sutra. It is a begining of an end of Bhuddism. Only faith and devotion part of Buddhism is effective and the real Buddhism of WISDOM of Lotus sutra is fully dead.

The end result is that neither Hinduism nor Bhuddism in present form can give a result which helps the humanity. There will be no fruit to effort for those who are not devotees.
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Re: Hindu defense against Buddhism

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:41 pm

What a gas this thread is!

It went from "Buddhists" defending "Hinduism".

To "Buddhists" attacking "Hinduism".

To "Buddhists" attacking "Buddhism".

I think we are about finished here...
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One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Hindu defense against Buddhism

Postby catmoon » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:54 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:What a gas this thread is!

It went from "Buddhists" defending "Hinduism".

To "Buddhists" attacking "Hinduism".

To "Buddhists" attacking "Buddhism".

I think we are about finished here...
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Oh yes the kindness of Buddhists boggles the mind, doesn't it?

All right you guys, back to topic or wrap it up.

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