Thrasymachus wrote:I don't think non vegans know how far faux meat has come.
Oh I know... Tofurkey is the nastiest stuff I've ever eaten.
I bought some at a Whole Foods type store last year and one bite was enough to induce vomiting.
They don't make a dressing that can hide that level of gross.
Thrasymachus wrote:Also it is just simply healthier as people are not physiologically adapted to eat meat
Australopithecus disagrees with you...
References & additional reading:
Speth JD (1991) "Protein selection and avoidance strategies of contemporary and ancestral foragers: unresolved issues." Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London, Series B, vol. 334, pp. 265-270.
[S]tone tools and fossil bones--the latter commonly displaying distinctive cut-marks produced when a carcass is dismembered and stripped of edible flesh with a sharp-edged stone flake--are found together on many Plio-Pleistocene archaeological sites, convincing proof that by at least 2.0 to 2.5 Ma [million years ago] before present (BP) these early hominids did in fact eat meat (Bunn 1986; Isaac and Crader 1981). In contrast, plant remains are absent or exceedingly rare on these ancient sites and their role in early hominid diet, therefore, can only be guessed on the basis of their known importance in contemporary forager diets, as well as their potential availability in Plio-Pleistocene environments (for example, see Peters et al. (1984); Sept (1984). Thus few today doubt that early hominids ate meat, and most would agree that they probably consumed far more meat than did their primate forebears. Instead, most studies nowadays focus primarily on how that meat was procured; that is, whether early hominids actively hunted animals, particularly large-bodied prey, or scavenged carcasses...
I fully concur with the view that meat was a regular and important component of early hominid diet. For this, the archaeological and taphonomic evidence is compelling.
Bunn HT. (1986). Patterns of skeletal representation and hominid subsistence activities at Olduvai gorge, Tanzania and Koobi Fora, Kenya. J. Hum. Evol., 15: 673-690.
Bunn HT, Kroll EM. (1986). Systematic butchery by Plio/Pleistocene hominids at Oldulvai Gorge, Tanzania. Curr. Anthrop., 27: 431-452.
Peters CR, Maguire B (1981) "Wild plant foods of the Makapansgat area: a modern ecosystems analogue for Australopithecus africanus adaptations." Journal of Human Evolution, vol. 10, pp. 565-583.
Stiner MC. (1991). The faunal remains from Grotta Guattari: a taphonomic perspective. Curr. Anthrop., 32: 118-138.
Stringer C, Gamble C. (1993). The archaeology of the ancients. In Search of the Neanderthals. pp 143-178, New York: Thames and Hudson.http://naturalhygienesociety.org/articles/paleo1.htmlhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10702160http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... 561328.pdfhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9648501http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v56/ ... 1307a.html
In other news, vegetarian Sundays are going...okay.
My normal diet is strictly regimented and Sunday is not.
Even when I go out of my way to plan meals of fruits, veggies, and tofu, I find myself reaching for grains, baked goods, and other foods that are really not healthy to compensate.
Prior to implementing vegetarian Sundays, my blood panels had come back with huge improvements due to my normal diet.
My weight was the healthiest I've been in a decade.
Over the last few months I've really been slipping, largely due to the chaos of Sundays.
My normal diet is locally sourced, organic, & free ranged; so that's probably the best I'm going to be able to do.
Sundays are proving counter-productive for my dietary goals, possibly counter-productive for my health, and knowing the realities of agriculture I'm dubious as to the ethical superiority.
Not sure that I'm going to keep it up.