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Goenka technique

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby mikenz66 » Thu May 26, 2011 3:31 am

As Tilt says, what Goenka teaches is solidly rooted in the Suttas. I've only done one Goenka retreat some time ago, but to me the basic techniques that are taught are a selection of the grab-bag of possibilities in the Satipatthana Sutta, i.e. using the breath to calm, and then observing bodily feelings.

The talks probably contain some Theravada Commentarial material. Which I don't see as a negative, but some seem to...

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby Jhana4 » Thu May 26, 2011 2:15 pm

It is my understanding that it isn't Goenka's technique. It is a technique Goenka learned from a lineage of Burmese Buddhist monks and that he became authorized to teach. Anyone know if "they" have a name for it besides "vipassana meditation" which doesn't quite fit?
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby Jhana4 » Thu May 26, 2011 2:18 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Goenka technique

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Re: Goenka technique

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby Jhana4 » Thu May 26, 2011 11:52 pm

The mechanics of anapanasati are significantly spelled out in the suttas.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby Jhana4 » Fri May 27, 2011 12:04 am

Having said that I have no problem with accepting that someone else other than the Buddha can have a good idea and the system Goenka teaches has been used by monks since at least the 19th century as far as I am aware.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Goenka technique

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby Ben » Fri May 27, 2011 12:50 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby danieLion » Fri May 27, 2011 1:41 am

Thankx guys. What y'all wrote and the acesstoinsight link are very clarifying especially the FAQ question "Is Vipassana the same as Theravada?" at http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... #vipassana.

Are there advantages to retreats instead of daily "vipassana"? Does "mindfulness" meditation fit into all this or not.

Thanx again.

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby Ben » Fri May 27, 2011 1:46 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby Monkey Mind » Fri May 27, 2011 2:39 am

DL- I had been meditating for years before my first 10-day. The benefit I received on the 10-day by far exceeded any meditation experience (or all of them) before this. There is something to be said about an environment that minimizes worldly distractions for 10 days. It was also the most difficult thing I have ever done in my life.
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby PeterB » Fri May 27, 2011 7:15 am

Early on in my first ten day retreat I received instruction which corrected misplaced effort of several years standing.
That would not have happened by trial and error, I don't think without experienced input it would have happened at all.
Goenka or Mahasi are only understood experientially, no book, video or discussion can obviate that.

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby mikenz66 » Fri May 27, 2011 7:25 am

I'd only been meditating for about a year before I went on a Goenka retreat, but since it was about 2-3 times as long as any previous retreat, it certainly had a huge positive impact on my practice. The strict way retreats are organised means that one can be much more silent and focussed than some other options I've tried.

And, as Peter says, the instructors can be very helpful if there are problems...

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby PeterB » Fri May 27, 2011 7:27 am

Even problems one didn't know one had Mike but which had been impacting one's practice... :smile:

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby danieLion » Fri May 27, 2011 7:56 am

thanx again everbody. Does anyone do suttanta method retreats?

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Re: Goenka technique

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 27, 2011 8:55 am

Greetings danieLion,

Mike's not confused - that's just not his approach.

I did like your question though, and I'm interested to hear if anyone responds... I don't know of any, myself.

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