Ikkyu wrote:You make a very good point. It can be an issue of context. But how do we determine what portions of the Buddha's teachings are all-encompassing and opposed to specific tidbits? Is it an issue of repetition? Does the fact that he may have said something only once diminish the teaching's importance?
Yes. I'm quite fond of some of Nietzsche's work as well.
Repetition yes. But also importance placed on it. Is it a fundamental belief or something said once? Even something said once is very important and meaningful, but as it was only taught once it is reasonable to think the teaching was meant only for the context is which it was spoken.
Ikkyu wrote:It's also the same religion that Konchog1 says espouses that people will go to HELL if they are hedonistic. I understand the idea of karma -- cause and effect -- but in what rational worldview would someone who enjoys sensual pleasure be tortured for aeons? I guess it depends upon what we mean by hedonism, and to what degree of hedonism someone is engaged in. I can't say how the karmic fruit of seeing sensual pleasure as a good thing warrants thousands, if not millions of years of torture. Perhaps mass murderers and rapists bear that karmic fruit, but all these young people at parties just enjoying themselves are going to be tortured in a naraka?
Sorry for not being clear. By Hedonism I meant and only meant Hedonism born from Nihilism (or as its called today Atheistism or Materialism). This is not because Nihilism, Hedonism, or pleasure are EVIL IN THEMSELVES but because if you don't have any morals and do anything to gain pleasure you will gain great negative karma.
Enjoying things is not hedonistic. The amoral act done to gain enjoyment is.
For example: having fun at a party is karmically neutral. Raping someone with a roofie because the rapist wants to have sex is karmically bad. The rapist's action is born from his belief that there is no karma or other consequence.
Nihilism -> Hedonism -> Negative Actions
Ikkyu wrote:Buddha to a monk who broke the monastic code and indulged in sex:
"'Worthless man, [sexual intercourse] is unseemly, out of line, unsuitable, and unworthy of a contemplative; improper and not to be done... Haven't I taught the Dhamma in many ways for the sake of dispassion and not for passion; for unfettering and not for fettering; for freedom from clinging and not for clinging? Yet here, while I have taught the Dhamma for dispassion, you set your heart on passion; while I have taught the Dhamma for unfettering, you set your heart on being fettered; while I have taught the Dhamma for freedom from clinging, you set your heart on clinging.
"'Worthless man, haven't I taught the Dhamma in many ways for the fading of passion, the sobering of intoxication, the subduing of thirst, the destruction of attachment, the severing of the round, the ending of craving, dispassion, cessation, unbinding? Haven't I in many ways advocated abandoning sensual pleasures, comprehending sensual perceptions, subduing sensual thirst, destroying sensual thoughts, calming sensual fevers? Worthless man, it would be better that your penis be stuck into the mouth of a poisonous snake than into a woman's vagina. It would be better that your penis be stuck into the mouth of a black viper than into a woman's vagina. It would be better that your penis be stuck into a pit of burning embers, blazing and glowing, than into a woman's vagina. Why is that? For that reason you would undergo death or death-like suffering, but you would not on that account, at the break-up of the body, after death, fall into deprivation, the bad destination, the abyss, hell. But for this reason you would, at the break-up of the body, after death, fall into deprivation, the bad destination, the abyss, hell...
"'Worthless man, this neither inspires faith in the faithless nor increases the faithful. Rather, it inspires lack of faith in the faithless and wavering in some of the faithful.'"
"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."
-Ra Lotsawa, All-pervading Melodious Drumbeats
"You must experience that the various thoughts, in whatever form they arise, are an empty appearance and not a definable entity."
-Clarifying the Natural State pg. 33