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Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby alan » Mon May 23, 2011 5:01 am

That would be picking a fight. We don't do that.

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Dan74 » Mon May 23, 2011 5:06 am

It could be a poll: do people identify Theravada with Hinayana and whether the usual stereotypes hold sway.

It would be interesting and possibly enlightening for the folks there.
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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Dan74 » Mon May 23, 2011 5:17 am

Well, as a Theravadin I understand that your intentions might be misconstrued, but I guess there could be people there who like yourselves may have been misled by a false portrayal of Theravada, and as you said denied an opportunity to explore the Theravada Dhamma. In that sense it could be worthwhile, tilt, to provide a challenge to the false view where it is actually likely to be found.

But I understand if you have had enough of that sort of thing.
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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Dan74 » Mon May 23, 2011 5:32 am

Well you could always try the wrathful deity routine!

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Seriously though, I do understand - it is not only sad to have a sublime spiritual path tarnished with lies but must be very tiring to battle with this sort of prejudice.

For what it's worth, I am sorry.
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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Justsit » Mon May 23, 2011 3:51 pm

Is the term "Foundational Vehicle" acceptable?

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Justsit » Mon May 23, 2011 4:49 pm

OK, to clarify, Theravadans just want to be "Theravadans." No reference to any school, view, vehicle, etc?

This is a genuine question, trying to learn, not :stirthepot: . Thank you.

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Justsit » Mon May 23, 2011 5:42 pm

Ah, light dawns. Thanks!
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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Dhammanucara » Mon May 23, 2011 8:02 pm

Sorry for my five-cents' worth thought, but reading the question posted reminds me of a question that was thrown to me when I was participating in an inter-religious dialogue with people from other religions. I was the sole representative of Buddhism in the dialogue and I make clear that I am from the Theravada tradition. Another person who seems more knowledgable about other religions asked me: "As a Theravadin, do you find it offensive when the Mahayanists call you a Lesser Vehicle?"
I replied, "That label seems to me quite contradictory. Mahayanists pay much attention to emptiness and non-duality; they are careful in elaborating the teaching so that it does not seem to show any conventionality and dualism, but rather reflects transcendence. By applying this term "Lesser Vehicle," it merely contradicts all that they have preached. You can show your superiority but when you do that at the expense of the others, you only contradict yourself."

But anyway, I find all the posts above rather interesting. Of course, to me, though as a Theravadin, I don't really care what the Mahayanists want to call me; most of the time, when this issue arises in my conversation with other Mahayanists, I often point out its contradiction and the issue ceases.

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Dan74 » Mon May 23, 2011 11:03 pm

Yes.

And it's much easier to take this when it's coming from "one of your own".

On the other hand, people ecstatic about their wondrous tradition sometimes go into this "supreme above all others" thing.
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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Cittasanto » Tue May 24, 2011 3:30 pm

I personally understand the term to mean 'base' and it certainly isnt a nice term.


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