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Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Sylvester » Sun May 22, 2011 4:58 am

One of my Theravada teachers insists on using the "Hinayana" appellation, when he's chatting with Mahayanists.

He explains, that while he finds the term reprehensible, he continues to use it as his Mahayana colleagues are more aware of the historical context of that term. In other words, he uses the perjorative to needle the perpetrators of the term.

But mind you, this tactic really only works with the better educated Mahayanists and who can appreciate the irony...

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Dan74 » Sun May 22, 2011 7:34 am

The superior attitude is certainly out of place and was explicitly prohibited by many Mahayana teachings.

Of course all sorts of objectionable attitudes can be found. I have often heard that Mahayana monks and nuns are not accepted as monastics in many Theravada monasteries and suspected of all sorts of evil defiling deeds.

I have heard Theravadins declare that the fathers of Mahayana went to hell for causing a schism in the Sangha based on erroneous historical accounts of what actually happened.

I have heard many times that Mahayana is just pananca and adhamma and is not even Buddhism.

And I would be lying if I said that I've never heard objectionable attitudes expressed by Mahayanists. And of course this is not surprising.

But Hinayana and Shravakayana can be useful as descriptions of attitudes in practice and I think that as there is more and more cross-sectarian dialogue (like here), this is increasingly the only use these terms have.

Personally I try to keep my gazed fixed on where I am in practice and worrying about some sort of a supposed absolute supremacy of my vehicle is pretty laughable when I am not even off my Learner Plates.
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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Dan74 » Sun May 22, 2011 8:33 am

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby christopher::: » Sun May 22, 2011 8:58 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby nobody12345 » Sun May 22, 2011 11:47 am

Calling defenders of orthodox Dhamma as Hinayana is not only derogatory but also oxymoronic.
Dhamma IS the small raft/vehicle.
It can only carry one person per one trip.
Nobody cross the flood of Samsara by package trip deal.
There's no big raft/vehicle to carry a group of people at once.
The Awakened One cleared said that he only shows the way but it's up to each individual to do all the hard work to cross the flood.
The raft/vehicle is small and it only carries one person per one trip.
Metta.

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby hermitwin » Sun May 22, 2011 6:32 pm

I think its good to err on the side of caution.
So I will not use that term again.

Theravada seems clear enough.
Unless there are other objections to "Theravada" as well.

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Kare » Sun May 22, 2011 6:53 pm

Mettāya,
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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby bodom » Sun May 22, 2011 8:16 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Sun May 22, 2011 9:16 pm

Taking offense at a word strikes me as a waste of time and effort. I've been called a hippy, layabout, poltroon, slacker, ne'er-do-well, waste of space, scalawag, coward, amoral tosspot, and others too scatological to post in a public forum. All true, of course, but none worth taking offense over.
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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Dan74 » Mon May 23, 2011 2:11 am

I think this is a fair point and definitely a travesty, a result of human ignorance like more are.

But besides the two books mentioned that were published more than 20 years ago is this something that still goes on?
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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby alan » Mon May 23, 2011 2:28 am

Three Pillars was important to me also, and I might be a generation younger than tilt. It Influenced my outlook for years. I've got the 1967 version right in front of me (cover price $2.45!). It's impossible to tell how many others were influenced by it, but my guess is that it is alive and well in the minds of many Mahayanist-leaning people to this day. And it's still on used bookstore shelves everywhere.

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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby Dan74 » Mon May 23, 2011 3:51 am

No doubt you are right and I understand tilt's motivation in relentlessly pointing it out.

But on Dhamma Wheel, it's kind of like preaching to the choir. Maybe he should bring his zeal to Dharma Wheel and brace for impact :D

I wonder though what impact it would have? Maybe folks are already aware (I would hope so)?
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Re: Is Hinayana a derogatory term?

Postby christopher::: » Mon May 23, 2011 4:13 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009


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