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SN 35.95: Malunkyaputta Sutta

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Re: SN 35.95: Malunkyaputta Sutta

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Re: SN 35.95: Malunkyaputta Sutta

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Re: SN 35.95: Malunkyaputta Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Sun May 22, 2011 6:40 am

Greetings,

Interesting extract from MN 28 (thanks Sylvester)... a good reminder, if ever one was needed, not to take key Dhamma terms at simplistic face value.

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Re: SN 35.95: Malunkyaputta Sutta

Postby Sylvester » Sun May 22, 2011 7:57 am

Just another short note to address something interesting which pulga raised in respect of Berkeley's "esse est percipi" axiom of Idealism. He's raised it before in this thread, citing one of Ven Nanavira's letters - viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8033&hilit=Bahiya&start=40#p126619

I'm glad that Ven Nanavira does not lean towards Berkeley's Idealism, where it concerns the external world. I think where Idealism has a proper footing in Buddhism is probably the internal world - the mental khandhas. Those 4 states only arise with contact as condition (although MN 43 accords the "conjoined"/sahagata status to consciousness, feelings and perception, and omits intention). Contact, as an event made up of sense, object and consciousness, seems rather distinct from the internal experience(s) of the exterior, unless one subscribes to the Abhidhammic treatment of "phassa" as another cetasika/mental concommitant...

Some older ruminations about the intent for this sutta and the Bahiya Sutta, ie appropriation and the anusayas -
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8033&start=20#p126574

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Re: SN 35.95: Malunkyaputta Sutta

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Thanks for the cross-references Sylvester.

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