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Jacque Fresco

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Re: Jacque Fresco

Postby Roland » Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:57 am

Wow.

I've followed The Venus Project and the work of Jacque Fresco since they were associated with the Zeitgeist movement. Jacque Fresco is a fascinating person with amazing ideas and I love the Venus project. I could listen to that guy talk all day.

I had not come across this talk before. Amazing! Thank you so much for sharing this. I will surely be watching this again sometime.

I wish more people knew about these things.
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Re: Jacque Fresco

Postby Thrasymachus » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:46 am

We do not live in enough of a surrogate, fake human created reality for you? You want more? People already don't know how to be brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, but they do know how to be shoppers and workers. Still you want more of such teleological progress?
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People like you need to wake up from your trance. Fresco is a scammer, peddling puerile dreams, but a very attractive one because he offers the illusion of an external utopia without any inner change or effort on your part.

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Re: Jacque Fresco

Postby Namgyal » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:40 pm

:applause: Thankyou Karma Dondrup Tashi. I hadn't heard of this gentleman before, and I was very impressed. I have a good friend who has much the same ideas and I will show him this clip this afternoon, he will be overjoyed. I really, really wish the world were organised in the way that Mr. Fresco proposes, and that his ideas and the similar ones of His Holiness the Dalai Lama were put into practice. When I look at the leaders we actually have.... :crying:
Thankyou again.
:namaste: R.

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Re: Jacque Fresco

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Re: Jacque Fresco

Postby Inge » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:21 pm

Wow, was my first impression after watching the video to, but then after thinking about it I don´t really know what he was trying to say, other than that politicians are idiots, and that he is really smart. After watching it I have no idea what the venus project is. What is it that he is talking about?

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Re: Jacque Fresco

Postby dharmagoat » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:44 pm

Why in a utopia does the architecture look so garish?

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Re: Jacque Fresco

Postby Roland » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:09 pm

"Seek truth in meditation, not moldy books. Look in the sky to find the moon, not in the pond."
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Re: Jacque Fresco

Postby catmoon » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:57 am

Buddha is pessimistic? Funny, I thought he taught that there is a way out of this mess.
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Re: Jacque Fresco

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Re: Jacque Fresco

Postby Roland » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:12 pm

"Seek truth in meditation, not moldy books. Look in the sky to find the moon, not in the pond."
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Re: Jacque Fresco

Postby Adumbra » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:07 am

"The first thing you have to understand is that I don't believe in ANYTHING."
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Re: Jacque Fresco

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Re: Jacque Fresco

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Re: Jacque Fresco

Postby lobster » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:59 pm

guys
I was really looking forward to the question section. Is that available?
Also enjoyed the responses in this thread . . . :twothumbsup:

Spirituality can make us saner, smarter and more able (that's the plan).
The results speak for themself. :popcorn:

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Re: Jacque Fresco

Postby SocietalAddress » Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:20 am

Look, I understand people are skeptical about Jacque Fresco and his work, and when you look at the pictures you can't escape the idea that the Venus Project is a design of a utopia.

However, there are many, many videos in which Jacque Fresco explains his work, and all of the machines and equipment he designed have a scientifical foundation. They are the products of our current scientifical knowledge. Just to say that materially they are achievable.

Furthermore, Jacque Fresco often emphasizes that The Venus Project is not a design of a utopia. It is not perfect. There will still be problems, and people need to be trained to address those problems. But a lot of the problems we have now, and have always had, can be solved with technology.

Also, why would it never happen? Did you know that a study of a couple of years ago concluded that 147 companies own 40 percent of the world's wealth? 147 companies, of the numerous existing companies in the world. Does that seem fair to you? Are you aware of corporatism, of politicians serving in companies' best interest because they are being paid for it, and the medical business corrupting because they'd rather get paid than saving lives? As Jacque Fresco says: don't take my word for it. Do research on it.

We don't have to accept the current state of the world. We can undo a system we've created ourselves. These systems are not physical laws. They are man-made. We can change it. But we'll have to co-operate, and we'll have to want to. Do you understand? You have the capacity, the capability, the intelligence, and the skills to help change the world. Do you understand that? Don't underestimate yourself. Rise above the general notion that "we are what we are and we can't do anything about it". Rise above the misconception that it is in human nature to compete and kill and destroy. It is not. We've built amazing things. We've done amazing things. Study has pointed out that humans, social creatures (or animals if you will), are more prone to cooperation and support, than they are to hostility. It is the monetary system that makes us compete, it is the monetary system that corrupts us.

We don't have to live like this.

That said, Jacque Fresco a scammer? That's based on nothing. What hidden agenda could he have, doing what he does? He advocates world peace, humanity and technology utilized to the benefit of people. He has made the improvement of our civilzation his life's work. He gives us practical blueprints and models and designs. How can that be a scam?

Look, it is okay to be skeptical. It's not that I'm not skeptical myself. Though it is a minor issue compared to the well-being of humans and animals, I am concerned about disappearing cultures. Wouldn't life be too monotonous living in a world like The Venus Project? Won't the pleasure of traveling disappear in a world like that? And what about the sewers and the underground railways and all that jazz. I have questions too. But I put them in an email and I sent them to the Venus Project. I did that today, so I can't tell you what their answers were.

But anyway, I understand you're skeptical. But if you call it a utopia, it means you think it's too good to be true. Think about that. Too GOOD to be true. It's good. You'd like to live in a world like that. But you can't believe that would ever happen.

Why not? What are your questions? What are your doubts? Formulate them. Present them to the Venus Project, or try to think of solutions yourself.

Instead of thinking against it, try thinking along. Let's be constructive.

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Re: Jacque Fresco

Postby Roland » Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:26 am

It is possible. The technologies exist or can be developed. They are not that far fetched and are realistic.

What I'm not sure is possible is the practical implementation of the project. How would that happen? Other than a complete economic meltdown where there is no other alternative, or some sort of societal collapse. Even then, how? Would it not be more difficult to implement in a world which is in that much more turmoil? I wonder if there is any sort of smooth(er) transition into this sort of thing, and if enough people would agree to let go of currency or even to accept the ideas of the project for it to actually be effective.

Jacque says that he invented thousands of things, but could never afford the patents for them. Furthermore, he would get really close to finishing his inventions, and would spend the last of his money on them. He would not be able to pay his bills, so "the auctioneers" would come to his place and sell off all his inventions. But he didn't really care, he just loved to invent things. In that way, he has contributed greatly to society already, and this was far before the Venus Project, which is basically a culmination of his life's work.

I don't know how or if the accusations of scamming are valid. There is no way I could know for sure whether any of that is true or not, at least not that I can currently see, but I tend to lean much on the side of it not being true. Primarily because all things I've read in relation to scamming seems very contrived and like nonsense.

Oh and the couple of times that I've emailed them, I've never gotten a response. Although this has been many years ago. Maybe I will try that again...
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Re: Jacque Fresco

Postby Roland » Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:04 am

"Seek truth in meditation, not moldy books. Look in the sky to find the moon, not in the pond."
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