Lam Rim study/practice

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Lam Rim study/practice

Postby Dave The Seeker » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:41 pm

I'm reading about Lam Rim, and have a book from FPMT.
I am at the beginning and was wondering, should one stay at the first stage until the visualizations come complete before moving on?
Please don't think I'm rushing to get to the next stage, I'm not.
I am just posting this question for opinions from the experienced members here.
Thanks
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They teach us that life is what life is; flawed.
Yet with tremendous potential for joy and fulfillment.
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One whose mind is freed does not argue with anyone, he does not dispute with anyone. He makes use of the conventional terms of the world without clinging to them
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Re: Lam Rim study/practice

Postby ngodrup » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:46 pm

Probably a question for your teacher. What parts get emphasized, where
you start, is really contingent on your capacity.
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Re: Lam Rim study/practice

Postby Dave The Seeker » Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:04 pm

Thanks for the reply, as soon as I can get to a group and possibly meet a teacher I'll ask.
Everyday problems teach us to have a realistic attitude.
They teach us that life is what life is; flawed.
Yet with tremendous potential for joy and fulfillment.
~Lama Surya Das~

If your path teaches you to act and exert yourself correctly and leads to spiritual realizations such as love, compassion and wisdom then obviously it's worthwhile.
~Lama Thubten Yeshe~

One whose mind is freed does not argue with anyone, he does not dispute with anyone. He makes use of the conventional terms of the world without clinging to them
~The Buddha~
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Re: Lam Rim study/practice

Postby zerwe » Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:40 pm

Some people move quickly through each topic and others spend a long time deepening their understanding.
Initially, I think it is fine to move through the cycle of topics fairly quickly until one develops more understanding.
Then, the pace (entirely up to the individual) slows and we might spend more time deepening our experience of each topic or particular topics.
My first year I probably cycled through my Lam rim meditations every 2-3 months. Now I take about a year to get through them all.
Everybody is different though.

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Re: Lam Rim study/practice

Postby Dave The Seeker » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:34 pm

Thank you very much for your input Shaun :anjali:
Everyday problems teach us to have a realistic attitude.
They teach us that life is what life is; flawed.
Yet with tremendous potential for joy and fulfillment.
~Lama Surya Das~

If your path teaches you to act and exert yourself correctly and leads to spiritual realizations such as love, compassion and wisdom then obviously it's worthwhile.
~Lama Thubten Yeshe~

One whose mind is freed does not argue with anyone, he does not dispute with anyone. He makes use of the conventional terms of the world without clinging to them
~The Buddha~
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Re: Lam Rim study/practice

Postby Caz » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:37 pm

zerwe wrote:Some people move quickly through each topic and others spend a long time deepening their understanding.
Initially, I think it is fine to move through the cycle of topics fairly quickly until one develops more understanding.
Then, the pace (entirely up to the individual) slows and we might spend more time deepening our experience of each topic or particular topics.
My first year I probably cycled through my Lam rim meditations every 2-3 months. Now I take about a year to get through them all.
Everybody is different though.

Shaun :namaste:


Every time we do the preparations for Lamrim we are creating the causes to accomplish it quickly, It doesn't matter if one cycles through them each day, week, month or even year it creates imprints on the mind that will naturally be ripened when the time is due. :thumbsup:
Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.

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Re: Lam Rim study/practice

Postby PorkChop » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:53 pm

Dave The Seeker wrote:I'm reading about Lam Rim, and have a book from FPMT.
I am at the beginning and was wondering, should one stay at the first stage until the visualizations come complete before moving on?
Please don't think I'm rushing to get to the next stage, I'm not.
I am just posting this question for opinions from the experienced members here.
Thanks


Dunno if you want any input from a beginner.
I go to a local student-lead Lam Rim group that welcomes bhikshus and bhikshunis who visit from time to time - we've been working on the 8 verses of mind training.
I'm playing catch-up with the rest of the group so I'm looking at some supplementary training.
Just started the Meditation101 online with FPMT and that has 12 different guided visualizations/meditations (first 2 are very preliminary).
My plan is to be able to do each of the guided meditations from memory before moving on to the next, with the bare minimum being probably a week on each.
The official course recommendations are to do each meditation at least 3 times and shoot for being able to do it alone without scripts/guidance.
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Re: Lam Rim study/practice

Postby Dave The Seeker » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:29 pm

Thanks for the input Caz :twothumbsup:

Thanks Porkchop, think any input in the right direction is great help.
I'm also doing the FPMT at home course. I'm still in the first module "Mind and it's potential".
But I have the Meditation one as well. In the course listings the first one isn't there, it's in another section of the site :shrug:

Thanks again to all who have replied and helped me out :namaste:
Everyday problems teach us to have a realistic attitude.
They teach us that life is what life is; flawed.
Yet with tremendous potential for joy and fulfillment.
~Lama Surya Das~

If your path teaches you to act and exert yourself correctly and leads to spiritual realizations such as love, compassion and wisdom then obviously it's worthwhile.
~Lama Thubten Yeshe~

One whose mind is freed does not argue with anyone, he does not dispute with anyone. He makes use of the conventional terms of the world without clinging to them
~The Buddha~
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Re: Lam Rim study/practice

Postby Konchog1 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:13 pm

"You have reached a critical point when, while meditating on the lower levels, you increasingly wish to attain the higher levels, and when studying the higher levels, your wish to practice the lower levels becomes stronger and stronger."

Lam Rim Chen Mo eng v3 362-363 tib 806

Lord Tsongkhapa then continues to say it is expected to go back and remeditate on the fundamentals to strengthen weaknesses that have appeared in your practice.

My understanding and thus advice is do what feels natural. Learn to where you get bored and come back later after reading further.
Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

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"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

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Re: Lam Rim study/practice

Postby Ayu » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:08 pm

Another point:
For some people it takes a very long time until a visualisation becomes "perfect". The pressure to want to SEE the object of Meditation is a hindrance for the meditation... If one keeps calm and satisfied with only knowing "it is there", he creates a better circumstance for a clearer visualisation. Clearness comes better in a calm and steady mind.
Because, if our mothers, who have been kind to us
From beginningless time, are suffering,
What can we do with (just) our own happiness?
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Re: Lam Rim study/practice

Postby Dave The Seeker » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:46 pm

Thanks to both of you for the replies.
It helps greatly to get input that makes sense.
:namaste:
Everyday problems teach us to have a realistic attitude.
They teach us that life is what life is; flawed.
Yet with tremendous potential for joy and fulfillment.
~Lama Surya Das~

If your path teaches you to act and exert yourself correctly and leads to spiritual realizations such as love, compassion and wisdom then obviously it's worthwhile.
~Lama Thubten Yeshe~

One whose mind is freed does not argue with anyone, he does not dispute with anyone. He makes use of the conventional terms of the world without clinging to them
~The Buddha~
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