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Thought-provoking new blog

Postby socratessmith » Fri May 13, 2011 8:49 pm

Lot's of interesting, thought-provoking posts for western Buddhists on this new blog, Speculative Non-Buddhism:

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Fri May 13, 2011 10:38 pm

Sorry, but I'm an apodictically, non-interested Buddhist...I couldn't help myself, please forgive me... :tongue:
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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby daverupa » Fri May 13, 2011 11:19 pm

I've spoken with Tom Meissner, and on-line with all the founding members of that movement. Theirs is an interesting community; Nanavira's writings are pertinent to their interpretations.

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby ground » Sat May 14, 2011 12:31 am

There may be some trapped in conceivings of "[objective] evidence of the [real] truth of this [or that]".


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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby alan » Sat May 14, 2011 2:12 am

Unbelievable! Comparing Nietzsche to the Buddha? I'm at a loss for words.
That page was disheartening.

I'm all for thought-provoking posts, but the only thought that first page provoked was a desire to get very far away from people who think like this--and to rejoice in the fact that I have a faith based on many hours of sutta study and properly applied thought.
Intelligent discourse is good; stepping outside of experience and analyzing thoughts in the way we see on this page seems like a dead end at best, and an ego-reinforcing trap at worse.

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby Ben » Sat May 14, 2011 2:21 am

Hi alan
I had a cursory glance at the blog and wasn't inspired.
I think I am a little like you - I get really put off by dry intellectual head-trips.
Suttamaya panna (knowledge from reading/hearing) and Cintamaya panna (knowledge from thinking) are good and useful but they need to be balanced with the panna derived from bhavana (practice).
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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby socratessmith » Wed May 18, 2011 9:32 pm

What pious Buddhists Dhamma Wheel subscribers are! Peace...

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby BlackBird » Thu May 19, 2011 12:15 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 19, 2011 12:40 am

Greetings Blackbird,

I'm inclined to agree.

If I recall correctly, philosophy is derived from the Latin terms "philo" (knowledge) and "sophia" (love)... the love of knowledge. The Buddha wasn't radically different in this sense, except that knowledge he sought (and realised) was knowledge pertaining to the supra-mundane, as opposed to the mundane.

If such analysis enables those with a Western philosophical bent to see that the Buddha's teachings are not only logically consistent, but also to see that they can be personally liberative when applied, then surely this would be to their benefit.

:reading:

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby BlackBird » Thu May 19, 2011 1:29 am

:goodpost:
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby socratessmith » Thu May 19, 2011 1:48 am

As far as I can understand it (and I am not certain that I do) the Speculative non-Buddhist blog is an attempt to critique Buddhism without rejecting it. Based on the posts so far, it seems to respect the Buddha's teachings by putting them in dialogue with western knowledge. That shouldn't be threatening to western Buddhists, should it? I like the question I saw there about the fact that whereas science and philosophy and biology, etc., change, Buddhism wants to stay the same. Ironic, isn't it--given anicca.

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby alan » Thu May 19, 2011 2:42 am

The page was disheartening because it advances the idea that the teachings need to be "improved", that there is something of value to be gained by speculation on totally irrelevant topics, and that scholastic essays attempting to show how western philosophical ideas demonstrate the validity of a secular take on Buddhism are somehow as worthy as serious Dhamma study and practice.
It's disheartening because it overvalues intellectualism and ignores the role of faith and noble goals.
In other words, it's a head trip. And that is disheartening.

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby BlackBird » Thu May 19, 2011 3:04 am

Well, you've read more of it than I have Alan so I'm sure you're more qualified to make a judgement in this instance. If what you say is an accurate depiction then I wholeheartedly agree. I'll have to find some time to give it the proper 'once over'.
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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby m0rl0ck » Thu May 19, 2011 3:11 am

“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby alan » Thu May 19, 2011 3:39 am

Can supra-mundane awareness be understood by reason? if so, where does it fall under the category of philosophy? I haven't found any.
If supra-mundane awareness is something other than what we can know by reason alone, where does it fall under the category of philosophy? Nowhere.
Assuming the Buddha's awakening was "supra-mundane", doesn't it follow that there are no categories that can describe it, and that any attempt to quantify it philosophically is just a useless waste of time?

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 19, 2011 4:32 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby BlackBird » Thu May 19, 2011 4:36 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 19, 2011 4:37 am

Greetings Jack,

Maybe you should ask them?

:ugeek:

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Thought-provoking new blog

Postby alan » Thu May 19, 2011 4:58 am

The 4NT were not philosophical statements. They were an attempt to establish a basic framework, an understanding of how the teachings were to be perceived.


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