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DarwidHalim
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Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby DarwidHalim » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:21 pm

I would like to suggest to change the Tibetan Buddhism to other names, possibly:
Vajrayana Buddhism

Because the tradition of Tibetan Buddhism is mainly coming from Nalanda tradition. On the other hand, Nepal, and Bhutan, Himalayan region also share similar identity.

Tibetan Buddhism suggest a name that the teaching is built in Tibet and can soud like a cult.

In reality, most of them are Nalanda tradition preserves in Tibet. Therefore, the name of Tibetan Buddhism may not be appropriate.
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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:32 pm

Generally, Vajrayana practitioners refer to "Vajrayana Buddhism" among themselves or with other Buddhists. However, to the general public this term may have no meaningful associations in the mind, so "Tibetan" is the term often used to describe it. But while it might be accurate to say that all Tibetan Buddhism is essentially Vajrayana, it is not true that all Vajrayana Buddhism is Tibetan, and the most obvious example that comes to my mind is Shingon, which is Japanese.

If the term "Tibetan Buddhism" is being used to refer specifically to lineages which have survived and emerged through what is essentially a Tibetan tradition, even though this tradition is, from a strictly geographical standpoint found in Bhutan, Ladakh, Sikkim, and so forth (not to mention the fact that it is rooted in India and is really therefore an Indian tradition), I think "Tibetan" it is probably an accurate enough term, and would be inclusive of any historical developments prior to Nalanda.

However, your point is well made.
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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby plwk » Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:37 pm

Yes, I would second it but perhaps with 2 major categories: as practiced in Tibet and Japan.
And please restore back Shingon to this rightful place under 'Vajrayana' from its obscure East Asian Buddhism corner.
I have requested for this since the time of the pioneer team of Dharma Wheel and have waited til kingdom come since then... :thanks:

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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:20 pm

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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby DarwidHalim » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:11 am

Exactly.

For the people who know Vajrayana, it has no problem.

But, for people who do not know, it cause unnecessary issue.

For example, for people who do not know buddhism, Thailand Buddhism, Burmese Buddhism, Sri Lanka Buddhism can sound like the teaching is to some degree is distorted.

It is a matter of fact that even some Theravada practitioners see that Vajrayana buddhism is invented by Tibetan lama.

Although this is their problem, I think the naming of Tibetan Buddhism does invite unnecessary problem for itself.

It is better not to combine the country + buddhism.

Tibetan Buddhism
Nepal Buddhism
Bhutan Buddhism
etc.

All of them sound very distorted for external party.
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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Virgo » Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:27 am

David, it is just that you seem to always want to change something. Now don't get me wrong, sometimes change is necessary and is absolutely good, but when you want to change things as much as you do, it makes me think you want to fundamentally transform things, now what is at the root of this? Do you wish to fundamentally transform Buddhism?

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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby DarwidHalim » Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:47 am

It is just a suggestion anyway. It also doesn't affect me at the end.

Because the structure in this web is
Exploring Buddhism
Mahayana Buddhism
Tibetan Buddhism


I think it will be nice if it should be Vajrayana Buddhism.
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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:00 am

Mahaya should become 'Idolatry'


Vajrayana should become 'Idolatry and Sex with Llamas' :rolling:

It is true that I normally think of Theravada, Mahayana and Vajrayana and think that if we used those terms people would soon learn them. It would be an uphill struggle, though, since some people identify the Dalai Lama as the head of all Buddhism and think Tibet is and was some blissful Shangri-la society.
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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby mutsuk » Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:01 am

I don't agree, not everything in Tibetan Buddhism belongs to Vajrayana, this is a tragic reduction.

Furthermore, many of the countries mentioned (in an above post) where TB is being practiced use tibetan script and language in their texts, including Mongolia (although not as much as in other TB influenced countries).

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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Namgyal » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:45 am

It's just a convenient name with no connotations of a cult. As for 'Nalanda Buddhism' that is even more inaccurate, what about Vikramashila, Odantapuri, Jagaddala and the others, not to mention ancient sources in Kashmir, Swat and Central Asia. Sometimes the term 'Himalayan Buddhism' is used but that's not ideal either, considering that Tibet is basically the dominant culture in the region. My own preference when talking with Theravada Buddhists is for the old-fashioned academic term 'Northern Buddhism' (Mahayana, including the Vajrayana, in Tibet, China and the Far East) as opposed to 'Southern Buddhism' (Theravada in Sri Lanka and South-East Asia).
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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby lobster » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:51 am

Tibet Autonomous Region Buddhism or Chinese Buddhism or Vajrayana?
Political agenda and other baggage Buddhism?

I think most people wish to practice vajrayana, a rich heritage not owned or practiced in one region only. :shrug:

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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby lobster » Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:20 pm

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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Sönam » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:45 am

What about Tantric Buddhism (Tantrayana)?

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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

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Re: Change Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Sönam » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:14 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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