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 Post subject: Mindfulness
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:02 pm 
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Are we supposed to be mindful all the time?Doesn't that make us not planning anything at all?Mindful means "flow" or does it mean be aware of everything?When doing things like listening to music for example I rather let my fantasy run wild instead being "aware" of everyhting around us.'''


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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:17 pm 
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GarcherLancelot wrote:
Are we supposed to be mindful all the time?


No. Concentration just creates tension.

Return attention to what's already there and rest.

You won't lose the beauty of "going with the flow". It'll become better.


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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:23 pm 
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Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote:
GarcherLancelot wrote:
Are we supposed to be mindful all the time?


No. Concentration just creates tension.

Return attention to what's already there and rest.

You won't lose the beauty of "going with the flow". It'll become better.



hmm,I donno but I need to pay attention or my mind starts flying here and there. ..


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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:05 pm 
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It's about having your mind on what your are doing while you are doing it. So while you're driving, your mind is on driving. If you need to plan for dinner, plan for dinner, but try not to let your thoughts wonder needlessly. The best place to start is on your breath whilst meditating. This is how I understand it :smile:

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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:23 pm 
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Let your mind wonder and never come back.

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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:25 pm 
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oushi wrote:
Let your mind wonder and never come back.


Which is probably even better advice than letting your mind wander... ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
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Seishin wrote:
It's about having your mind on what your are doing while you are doing it. So while you're driving, your mind is on driving. If you need to plan for dinner, plan for dinner, but try not to let your thoughts wonder needlessly. The best place to start is on your breath whilst meditating. This is how I understand it :smile:

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I got my driving license but haven't really practise my driving skills yet,so is it even possible to drive wthout putting your mind or driving,that sounds a bit scary to me haha. ..And how are we suppose to benefit from "living in the moment"?. ..(IMO "living in the present" is not equivalent to "living in the moment" ,the former phrase seems a bit yolo-ish(现在) ,mindfulness as far as I understand is 当下. ..)'''


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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
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Many accidents are caused by people not being mindful of driving. It happens more times than you might think. Living in the moment is the same idea. You mind is here now, not somewhere else.

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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
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viniketa wrote:
oushi wrote:
Let your mind wonder and never come back.


Which is probably even better advice than letting your mind wander... ;)

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No difference :tongue:

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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
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oushi wrote:
viniketa wrote:
oushi wrote:
Let your mind wonder and never come back.


Which is probably even better advice than letting your mind wander... ;)

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No difference :tongue:


In result, no, there really isn't! :twothumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
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GarcherLancelot wrote:
Are we supposed to be mindful all the time?Doesn't that make us not planning anything at all?Mindful means "flow" or does it mean be aware of everything?When doing things like listening to music for example I rather let my fantasy run wild instead being "aware" of everyhting around us.'''


Depends on the practice tradition you belong to. Usually in Vajrayana you try to be mindful of what you experienced at the dissolving of the completion stage or what was experienced by following the pointing out instructions.


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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
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GarcherLancelot wrote:
Are we supposed to be mindful all the time?


You are lucky you have a mind.
My mind was mined and blew up. :oops:

Now you have a mind. What do you plan to do with it? :popcorn:

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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
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oushi wrote:
Let your mind wonder and never come back.


Wonderful :smile:

When boundaries of personality, identity of actor isn't..........mind fullness in openess.

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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
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This teaching said:


My ego wants to be mindful. Since ego wants enlightenment, awakened nature.


Without ego awakened nature is.


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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:16 am 
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"Mindfulness" in Buddhism is generally a reference to "Four Stations of Mindfulness" (both in Theravada and Mahayana). It means you should practice to be mindful of Body, Mind, Feelings and Dharmas all time. Our minds are extremely programmable, so if you practice (put effort, use concentration) to be "mindful" for quite some time, then you will automatically get accustomed to be more mindful in everyday life effortlessly.

In our normal everyday life, we get drawn to random everyday thoughts and get carried away by them and this is our mundane/natural state because we have been doing this since a very long time. But if we try to be mindful, our normal state of mind would shift to the state of being mindful all the time.

I am not sure, though, that if you are mindful all the time does it also include "grasping" at dharmas all the time? Or in other words, is it sufficient if you do not grasp at Dharmas and therefore naturally come to a mindful state?

In my experience, animals show a very great deal of mindfulness. Observe cats, leopards, Tigers etc, and they never can be caught off guard!


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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
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Rakshasa wrote:

In my experience, animals show a very great deal of mindfulness. Observe cats, leopards, Tigers etc, and they never can be caught off guard!

Hmmm,interesting,perhaps this is one of the methods they get better rebirths after thier deaths?. ..


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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
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Rakshasa wrote:
"Mindfulness" in Buddhism is generally a reference to "Four Stations of Mindfulness" (both in Theravada and Mahayana). It means you should practice to be mindful of Body, Mind, Feelings and Dharmas all time. Our minds are extremely programmable, so if you practice (put effort, use concentration) to be "mindful" for quite some time, then you will automatically get accustomed to be more mindful in everyday life effortlessly.

In our normal everyday life, we get drawn to random everyday thoughts and get carried away by them and this is our mundane/natural state because we have been doing this since a very long time. But if we try to be mindful, our normal state of mind would shift to the state of being mindful all the time.

I am not sure, though, that if you are mindful all the time does it also include "grasping" at dharmas all the time? Or in other words, is it sufficient if you do not grasp at Dharmas and therefore naturally come to a mindful state?

In my experience, animals show a very great deal of mindfulness. Observe cats, leopards, Tigers etc, and they never can be caught off guard!


No grasping to mental constructs, people can get fear by thinking their practice will starve itself to death. But resting in simplicity, free of taking things as real, well :smile:

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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:14 am 
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GarcherLancelot wrote:
hmm,I donno but I need to pay attention or my mind starts flying here and there. ..


After some practice, you may find this is no longer the case. Even with no concentration per se, one's mind can be in the flow of the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
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GarcherLancelot wrote:
Rakshasa wrote:

In my experience, animals show a very great deal of mindfulness. Observe cats, leopards, Tigers etc, and they never can be caught off guard!

Hmmm,interesting,perhaps this is one of the methods they get better rebirths after thier deaths?. ..


I doubt it. There is such a thing as the mindfulness of the sniper, and I'm pretty sure that one leads downwards.

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 Post subject: Re: Mindfulness
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monktastic wrote:
GarcherLancelot wrote:
hmm,I donno but I need to pay attention or my mind starts flying here and there. ..


After some practice, you may find this is no longer the case. Even with no concentration per se, one's mind can be in the flow of the moment.



Right now doing it seems like a tiring chore ,letting my mind fly is easier....currently that is. ..


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