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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby Sönam » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:17 pm

tomamundsen wrote:
Malcolm wrote:Well, in terms of overview, Dudjom Rinpoche's book is fine.

Are you referring to the Big Red Book (The Nyingma School of Tibetan Buddhism: Its Fundamentals and History)?


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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby tomamundsen » Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:55 am

Sönam wrote:
tomamundsen wrote:
Malcolm wrote:Well, in terms of overview, Dudjom Rinpoche's book is fine.

Are you referring to the Big Red Book (The Nyingma School of Tibetan Buddhism: Its Fundamentals and History)?


yes he did ...

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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby deepbluehum » Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:57 am

dzogchungpa wrote:This might be a stupid question, but it is a sincere one. Is there anything like a complete, accurate presentation of Dzogchen available in English?


I like the published lectures of Lopon Tenzin Namdak. Extremely clear.
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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby kalden yungdrung » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:51 pm

deepbluehum wrote:
dzogchungpa wrote:This might be a stupid question, but it is a sincere one. Is there anything like a complete, accurate presentation of Dzogchen available in English?


I like the published lectures of Lopon Tenzin Namdak. Extremely clear.



Tashi delek,

Yes the teachings of Lopon La are very clear. His introductions are very excellent, also because his English is quite good.
That means the translations from the translators can be followed very easy. They do the translations out of the English amd i must say they know all the Tibet./Nepali "slang" of Lopon La.

It is very good if the Tibetan texts/language is not used regarding the Dzogchen teachings. But that means also, the teacher must be very skiiled in the English Dzogchen terms.

But i know Dzogchen teachers like John Reynolds who make only 1 sentence translations. One sentence in English and one in the other language.

So the clearness of the Dzogchen and other teachings are very dependent about how the teachings are running.
In our programm we also use the one sentence translations and do not use Tibetan.

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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby dzogchungpa » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:51 pm

deepbluehum wrote:
dzogchungpa wrote:This might be a stupid question, but it is a sincere one. Is there anything like a complete, accurate presentation of Dzogchen available in English?


I like the published lectures of Lopon Tenzin Namdak. Extremely clear.


Are you referring to "Bonpo Dzogchen Teachings"?
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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby dzogchungpa » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:03 am

Thanks for the input everybody. I happened to look at the Padmakara group's "Treasury of Precious Qualities" by Jigme Lingpa and Kangyur Rinpoche today and I found this as the first paragraph in the forward by HHDL:

The view of the Great Perfection (Dzogchen) is difficult and profound.
The main texts that explain it are Longchen Rabjampa's Treasury of the Supreme Vehicle,
which is itself quite difficult, and the Treasury of the Expanse of Reality.
It is my advice that people who are interested in the Nyingma path in general
and the Great Perfection teachings in particular should study Rigdzin Jigme Lingpa' s
more accessible Treasury of Precious Qualities.


Unfortunately, this book only covers the Sutra part of JL's text, and I don't know if they are planning to publish the Tantra part.
According to http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Y%C3%B6nten_Dz%C3%B6
Nyoshul Khenpo's "A Marvelous Garland of Rare Gems" includes a translation of the last three chapters of the Yon Tan Mdzod on Ground, Path and Fruition on pp. 566-89. That is the Dzogchen part of JL's text, but I don't know if the NK book includes any commentary.
Note that, in the higher tantras, there is talk of a self and an I, even though in the lower teachings the absence of self and the absence of I is what is always proclaimed. - Tony Duff
To educate the educated is notoriously difficult. - Jacques Barzun
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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby udawa » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:47 am

dzogchungpa wrote:Thanks for the input everybody. I happened to look at the Padmakara group's "Treasury of Precious Qualities" by Jigme Lingpa and Kangyur Rinpoche today and I found this as the first paragraph in the forward by HHDL:

The view of the Great Perfection (Dzogchen) is difficult and profound.
The main texts that explain it are Longchen Rabjampa's Treasury of the Supreme Vehicle,
which is itself quite difficult, and the Treasury of the Expanse of Reality.
It is my advice that people who are interested in the Nyingma path in general
and the Great Perfection teachings in particular should study Rigdzin Jigme Lingpa' s
more accessible Treasury of Precious Qualities.


Unfortunately, this book only covers the Sutra part of JL's text, and I don't know if they are planning to publish the Tantra part.
According to http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Y%C3%B6nten_Dz%C3%B6
Nyoshul Khenpo's "A Marvelous Garland of Rare Gems" includes a translation of the last three chapters of the Yon Tan Mdzod on Ground, Path and Fruition on pp. 566-89. That is the Dzogchen part of JL's text, but I don't know if the NK book includes any commentary.


The second volume is due out next year, and it is subtitled 'Vajrayana and the Great Perfection'
http://www.wisdom-books.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=24911

Forthcoming due April 2013. The long awaited second volume of commentary by Kangyur Rinpoche, Longchen Yeshe Dorje, on Jigme Lingpa's root text. This well-known original work presents the entire Buddhist path according to the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism. Jigme Lingpa`s Treasury of Precious Qualities is regarded as the summary and quintessence of Longchenpa`s Seven Treasures. It is pithy and concise, makes use of elaborate poetic language, and is often presented as a concluding summary, indeed a crowning masterpiece, to the long, traditional course of studies in both sutras and tantras.

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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby Greg » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:05 pm

dzogchungpa wrote:It's just that often when reading Dzogchen discussions I feel like I am missing some basic information,
and I was wondering if there was some systematic presentation I could consult.



There are also various things you can read if you want an academic text-critical/historical perspective.
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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby oldbob » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:13 am

:stirthepot:
All great posts from the heart, with lots of good words about Dzogchen sources.

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10324&p=130297#p130297

Some great words about Dzogchen, but you have to wade through the academia: it's worth it.

Also,

http://www.amazon.com/As-Vol-Tulku-Urgy ... s=as+it+is

http://www.amazon.com/dp/9627341398/ref ... _ti_sims_2

The Crystal and the Way of Light, by ChNNR is my favorite overview of Dzogchen.

http://www.amazon.com/Crystal-Way-Light ... y+of+light

Good reading.

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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby heart » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:26 am

udawa wrote:
dzogchungpa wrote:Thanks for the input everybody. I happened to look at the Padmakara group's "Treasury of Precious Qualities" by Jigme Lingpa and Kangyur Rinpoche today and I found this as the first paragraph in the forward by HHDL:

The view of the Great Perfection (Dzogchen) is difficult and profound.
The main texts that explain it are Longchen Rabjampa's Treasury of the Supreme Vehicle,
which is itself quite difficult, and the Treasury of the Expanse of Reality.
It is my advice that people who are interested in the Nyingma path in general
and the Great Perfection teachings in particular should study Rigdzin Jigme Lingpa' s
more accessible Treasury of Precious Qualities.


Unfortunately, this book only covers the Sutra part of JL's text, and I don't know if they are planning to publish the Tantra part.
According to http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Y%C3%B6nten_Dz%C3%B6
Nyoshul Khenpo's "A Marvelous Garland of Rare Gems" includes a translation of the last three chapters of the Yon Tan Mdzod on Ground, Path and Fruition on pp. 566-89. That is the Dzogchen part of JL's text, but I don't know if the NK book includes any commentary.


The second volume is due out next year, and it is subtitled 'Vajrayana and the Great Perfection'
http://www.wisdom-books.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=24911

Forthcoming due April 2013. The long awaited second volume of commentary by Kangyur Rinpoche, Longchen Yeshe Dorje, on Jigme Lingpa's root text. This well-known original work presents the entire Buddhist path according to the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism. Jigme Lingpa`s Treasury of Precious Qualities is regarded as the summary and quintessence of Longchenpa`s Seven Treasures. It is pithy and concise, makes use of elaborate poetic language, and is often presented as a concluding summary, indeed a crowning masterpiece, to the long, traditional course of studies in both sutras and tantras.

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That is great news!

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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:45 pm

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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby Yudron » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:10 pm

There is also the Lam Rim Yeshe Nyingpo, translated as Light of Wisdom vols. 1 - 4
The Spacious Path to Freedom by Karma Chagme
Naked Awareness by Karme Chagme
all available over-the-counter.

The current best translation of the Yeshe Lama of Jigme Lingpa (Light of Berostana) is restricted, as is the Neluk Rangjyung of Dudjom Lingpa (poorly translated edition: Vajra Heart.)

But every major cycle (such as the Nam Chak Putri, the Khandro Thukthig, the Throma Nagmo in the Dudjom Tersar) has a complete creation and completion stage--you merely need to be actually practicing under a wisdom guru who holds the appropriate lineage to receive the parts that are appropriate for you.

A good lama will go through the text line-by-line with you, clarifying the subtleties that are present in the Tibetan that are lost in translation. The language of Dzogchen is so beautiful, poetic and technical at the same time.
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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby Pero » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:10 pm

Yudron wrote:There is also the Lam Rim Yeshe Nyingpo, translated as Light of Wisdom vols. 1 - 4
...
all available over-the-counter.

Nah, the good stuff isn't. :smile:
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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby heart » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:01 pm

Pero wrote:
Yudron wrote:There is also the Lam Rim Yeshe Nyingpo, translated as Light of Wisdom vols. 1 - 4
...
all available over-the-counter.

Nah, the good stuff isn't. :smile:


Also it is actually volume 1 - 5 and volume 3 and 5 are not published yet and as Pero says volume 4 is restricted.

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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby Pero » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:38 pm

heart wrote:
Pero wrote:
Yudron wrote:There is also the Lam Rim Yeshe Nyingpo, translated as Light of Wisdom vols. 1 - 4
...
all available over-the-counter.

Nah, the good stuff isn't. :smile:


Also it is actually volume 1 - 5 and volume 3 and 5 are not published yet and as Pero says volume 4 is restricted.

/magnus

Yeah though it can be found on the web....
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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby heart » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:45 pm

Pero wrote:[
Yeah though it can be found on the web....


I assume you mean volume 4, right?

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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby Yudron » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:52 pm

I didn't know there was a vol. five coming, and I had forgotten there was no three. My goodness, that translation project is taking a long time! You can find Vol. 4 here and there.
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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby heart » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:57 pm

Yudron wrote:I didn't know there was a vol. five coming, and I had forgotten there was no three. My goodness, that translation project is taking a long time! You can find Vol. 4 here and there.


Yeah, I think a divorce might have something to do with it. Anyway, I pray that all the parts will be published.

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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby deepbluehum » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:14 pm

dzogchungpa wrote:
deepbluehum wrote:
dzogchungpa wrote:This might be a stupid question, but it is a sincere one. Is there anything like a complete, accurate presentation of Dzogchen available in English?


I like the published lectures of Lopon Tenzin Namdak. Extremely clear.


Are you referring to "Bonpo Dzogchen Teachings"?


I like "Heart Drops of Dharmakaya," and "Zhang Zhung Nyen Gyu Studies" (which is a four volume set). These really get at the heart of the matter. Reynolds' translations in "The Practice of Dzogchen in the Zhang Zhung Tradition of Tibet," includes descriptions of Yangti.
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Re: Dzogchen in English

Postby Pero » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:17 pm

heart wrote:
Pero wrote:[
Yeah though it can be found on the web....


I assume you mean volume 4, right?

/magnus

Yup. Didn't I read somewhere that volume 3 won't be published because of the practices related to the 3rd empowerment? I guess I could be mixing it up with something else.
What divorce are you talking about?
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