YOU CANNOT POST. OUR WEB HOSTING COMPANY DECIDED TO MOVE THE SERVER TO ANOTHER LOCATION. IN THE MEANTIME, YOU CAN VIEW THIS VERSION WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW POSTING AND WILL NOT SAVE ANYTHING YOU DO ONCE THE OTHER SERVER GOES ONLINE.

Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism - Dhamma Wheel

Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?

0
No votes
0
No votes
4
14%
6
21%
2
7%
4
14%
1
3%
8
28%
3
10%
1
3%
 
Total votes: 29

User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
Posts: 17855
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby retrofuturist » Sat May 14, 2011 2:43 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

alan
Posts: 2812
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:14 am
Location: Miramar beach, Fl.

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby alan » Sat May 14, 2011 2:59 am

I'll take the category of a seeker who read the suttas and was convinced, and now has faith. And I'll also say it's the only category that will lead anywhere of real value.

User avatar
mikenz66
Posts: 14947
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:37 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby mikenz66 » Sat May 14, 2011 3:02 am


Nyana
Posts: 2233
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:56 am

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby Nyana » Sat May 14, 2011 6:54 am

Given the definitions of each category given by the author, methinks the option of "None of the above" should be added to the survey.

All the best,

Geoff

User avatar
tiltbillings
Posts: 23012
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby tiltbillings » Sat May 14, 2011 6:59 am


User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
Posts: 17855
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby retrofuturist » Sat May 14, 2011 7:06 am

Greetings Tilt,

Yep... that's what I had in mind when I wrote in brackets "if any" in the original post.... polled are limited to 10 options, so there was no room for any more.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

User avatar
tiltbillings
Posts: 23012
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby tiltbillings » Sat May 14, 2011 8:10 am


alan
Posts: 2812
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:14 am
Location: Miramar beach, Fl.

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby alan » Sun May 15, 2011 1:37 am

These categories are examples of differing ways of conceptualizing, describing, classifying. And it appears the authors of the blog are perfectly fine with that. What seems to be lost is the basic idea that some people are actually in it to improve themselves and find the truth.

alan
Posts: 2812
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:14 am
Location: Miramar beach, Fl.

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby alan » Sun May 15, 2011 2:12 am

In other words, it seems like an intellectual game for these folks.
No emphasis on effort or appropriate attention--no burning need to find the truth. Just different ways of arranging things in order to arrive at a system that confirms their viewpoints, and from which they can begin again their games of who is smarter and who has it figured out.

I should know. Used to be just like that.

User avatar
ground
Posts: 2591
Joined: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:01 am

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby ground » Sun May 15, 2011 7:05 am

I am an "I-don't-care-ist" because as a buddhist I find such sort of discussions silly.

Kind regards

User avatar
daverupa
Posts: 5980
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:58 pm

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby daverupa » Sun May 15, 2011 7:11 am

It suffers from sesquipedalianism.

User avatar
zavk
Posts: 1161
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:04 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby zavk » Sun May 15, 2011 7:58 am

Interesting....

To give a taxonomy to what is the living, breathing, changing ecology of bodies, knowledge, and practices called 'Buddhism' is problematic from the start--at least this is how I see it. I do like some of these categories, though some of the definitions of what they involve are open to debate; they should be open to debate. But I suppose whoever wrote this had to be succinct in their definitions.

For the simple reason that I'm committed NOT to give the question 'Who am I?' a fixed answer but to explore it as an ongoing project of life (as an art of living as Goenka, the Dalai Lama, and others might put it), I'd refrain from positioning myself squarely within any of these categories, though I must say that some of them do resonate with me.

I wonder if these categories could nevertheless be useful as a kind of working blueprint to explore lines of dialogue, connections, and friendship between the diverse cultures, peoples, knowledges and practices that have been lumped together under the name 'Buddhism'. Perhaps these categories--which certainly reflect contemporary trends and conditions--could allow for connections between diverse groups, and in ways that do not erase the differences between them nor reduce the Dhamma into an everything-and-hence-nothing catchphrase or brand label. Rather than regard them as distinct or separate, or pigeonhole ourselves and others on their behalf, I wonder if these categories could mutually inform and mutually support one another--not unlike how the different components of 8FP are not strictly distinct or separate, but are rather like the petals of a flower folding and unfolding onto one another to reveal the beauty that is the Dhamma.

:anjali: :group: :smile:


edit: added to a sentence an important 'NOT, without which the meaning is totally different! heh....
Last edited by zavk on Sun May 15, 2011 10:59 am, edited 2 times in total.
With metta,
zavk

User avatar
Ben
Posts: 18442
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:49 am
Location: kanamaluka

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby Ben » Sun May 15, 2011 8:14 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

(Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • •

e: [email protected]..

User avatar
zavk
Posts: 1161
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:04 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby zavk » Sun May 15, 2011 8:34 am

Hmmm... yes, I see what you are saying Ben. I'd personally have trouble coming up with ten categories, but on the whole, I think the general tendencies described above can be observed in public discourses about Buddhism. Again, I just want to clarify what I mean to write in the bit quoted is '....I'm committed NOT to give the question 'Who am I?' a fixed answer....' Not your fault Ben, just my carelessness.


:)
With metta,
zavk

User avatar
Ben
Posts: 18442
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:49 am
Location: kanamaluka

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby Ben » Sun May 15, 2011 8:43 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

(Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • •

e: [email protected]..

User avatar
daverupa
Posts: 5980
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:58 pm

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby daverupa » Sun May 15, 2011 9:19 am

It's a list of attributes to apply to a self.

User avatar
David N. Snyder
Site Admin
Posts: 10648
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:15 am
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Contact:

Re: Approaches taken in the contemporary discourse on Buddhism

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon May 16, 2011 9:35 pm

Strange classifications and categories. It must be saying more about the author of these classifications than those who answer it.

For example, the "True Believers" are supposed to be Western Buddhists?!

Most so-called Western Buddhists I know came to Buddhism from skepticism, sometimes even an extreme skepticism and then studying Buddhism, other religions, philosophies, etc.
Image





Return to “Connections to Other Paths”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 13 guests

Google Saffron, Theravada Search Engine