Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

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Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby martin123 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:23 pm

Hi,Were Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche enemies?I have heard from students from both men that they did not get along and were infact enemies,is this true?surely enemy is a strong word for anyone practicing Dharma?
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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby martin123 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:25 am

sorry i mean Ole Nydahl
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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby illusionsgame » Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:28 am

Stop thinking so much and go sit. It is irreverent to your practice. Think of suffering. Go sit.

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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby emaho » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:18 pm

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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby martin123 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:35 pm

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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby Grigoris » Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:59 pm

The relationship between the two founders should have no bearing whatsoever on your decision regarding which of the two groups to visit.

Comparing the two teachers (one of whom is dead, mind you) is probably more valid rather than looking for dirt on their relationship.

I would recommend you vist both groups and decide which you will "join" based on an objective analysis of your experiences during the visits.

Both groups and their teachers have their controversies and their strong points.
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Postby martin123 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:42 pm

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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby Grigoris » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:46 pm

I have contact with Lama and lay sangha members from both "sides" of the Karmapa fiasco and it has never been an issue with my practice.

Try not to let yourself get dragged into the petty interpersonal politics and you will also have no problem.

If you go looking for trouble you will be sure to find it. Anywhere you look! :tongue:
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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby martin123 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:50 pm

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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby DGA » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:17 pm

Hi Martin,

It seems to me your intentions are right. You might wish to visit both centers and see for yourself. And some other centers too!

enjoy your journey

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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby martin123 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:54 pm

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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby AlexanderS » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:13 pm

I have personally not heard of any conflict between the 2. But I have not been around for long. I have only heard Ole Nydahl mention Trungpa once at his teachings, and he spoke of him respectfully.

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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby martin123 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:08 pm

My sources could be inaccurrate,im just concerned about studying with a group that has a vendetta against another.
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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby Stewart » Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:16 pm

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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby martin123 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:27 pm

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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby conebeckham » Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:46 am

Yes, there was an adversarial relationship between the two. Ole was banned from teaching at Trungpa's centers and institutions, fairly early on. It's well-documented, and not worth spending any time on. Of much greater importance is the atmosphere, environment, accessibility, and general "vibe" you experience at either of these organization's centers. They are both not "orthodox" Karma Kagyu centers, in the sense that the KTD, KTC, Thrangu/ Mingyur Rinpoche/Kalu Rinpoche or other High Karma Kagyu centers are--or, rather, they are far less similar than any of those are to each other.....but I'm not placing any value judgement on that statement.


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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby Grigoris » Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:22 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby martin123 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:05 pm

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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

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"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche

Postby Jinzang » Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:26 am

Both Trungpa Rinpoche and Ole Nydahl thought that Tibetan Buddhism needs to be adapted to be accessible in the West. Both changed it in their own ways, Other Kagyu teachers have been more conservative. There's a nasty argument in the Karma Kagyu over who is the real Karmapa. Ole Nydahl sided with one claimant and Trungpa Rinpoche's organization eventually sided with the other, though it stayed neutral in the controversy for a good bit.
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