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The Fourteen Precepts of the Order of Interbeing - Dhamma Wheel

The Fourteen Precepts of the Order of Interbeing

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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The Fourteen Precepts of the Order of Interbeing

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Re: The Fourteen Precepts of the Order of Interbeing

Postby Ben » Sat May 07, 2011 10:09 am

Hi Tilt
What in particular do you find of interest in Thich Nhat Hanh's 14 precepts?
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: The Fourteen Precepts of the Order of Interbeing

Postby retrofuturist » Sat May 07, 2011 12:30 pm

Greetings,

It just sounds like yet another list the Buddha never came up with... ala the paramitas, only longer.

The things he talks about are fine in and of themselves, but what's wrong the Buddha's teaching that Thich Nhat Hanh has to create a 14-fold path of his own?

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Re: The Fourteen Precepts of the Order of Interbeing

Postby bodom » Sat May 07, 2011 12:55 pm

I have a great deal of gratitude to Thich Nhat Hahn. He was my introduction to Buddhism. He simplified everything for a beginner like myself who only wanted to LIVE the teachings, and was not so concerned with all the doctrinal aspects of Buddhism. If it was not for him I would have never found my way home to the Theravada. My understanding is that he created [emphasized] these 14 mindfulness trainings for his Engaged Buddhism movement. None of them go against any of the teachings of the Buddha and are not meant to replace the Eight Fold Path. Different teachers emphasize different aspects of the Buddhadhamma, Nhat Hahn chose these particular fourteen.

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

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Re: The Fourteen Precepts of the Order of Interbeing

Postby LastLegend » Sun May 08, 2011 7:26 am

He said to detach in many different ways and specifically suggesting some methods to do so.

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More rafts to be abandoned, at the appropriate time...

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Frostbite Falls...whoa...

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Re: The Fourteen Precepts of the Order of Interbeing

Postby Dan74 » Thu May 12, 2011 12:40 am

When new to Dhamma many of us embrace our specific path to strict exclusion of everything else. This often comes with an aversion or dismissal of other schools, other paths. But I found that more weathered practitioners don't share this attitude and will readily recognize the Dhamma elsewhere, as well as taking useful teachings where they find them.

We have a thread on Goldstein and Kornfield, two Theravada teachers who have found wisdom in other Buddhist schools. Here in Australia, we have a Zen teacher who is also a Vipassana teacher . This is not everyone's path, but I think it is a valid path. Just like sticking to one school is also a valid path. I hope we all nourish a healthy respect for this while not suppressing genuine questioning and critique.
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Re: The Fourteen Precepts of the Order of Interbeing

Postby alan » Thu May 12, 2011 3:46 am

Actually when I started I looked at everything. Why not?
I'm surprised to hear that anyone would just be convinced right off the bat. Doesn't seem very reasonable, does it?
I've read TNH, and just about everyone else, too. Generally reading around is good when you are getting started--at least in the old days before Dhamma Wheel!
"Old Path, White Clouds" was a milestone in my nascent practice. Ok, laugh if you want, but this inspired me to get into the Suttas. For that if nothing else I thank him.
As for the 14 points, most of them make perfect sense in the real world, for most people, most of the time.
We can have debates about his positions--He's too "Zen" for me on some points--I would argue against the interbeing idea--as would most of us, I presume. But that is best left for a different discussion, at another time.

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Re: The Fourteen Precepts of the Order of Interbeing

Postby christopher::: » Thu May 12, 2011 6:09 am

Thanks for posting these, Tilt. I think to many of us these sound like familiar ideas, just a modern restating of basic Dhamma principles. But for practitioners in Vietnam they're extremely challenging ideas, the talk of openness and freedom in thought especially has been quite threatening. The communist government sees TNH as a trouble-maker and took action against his sangha Bat Nha a few years ago. He's basically like the Dalai Lama now, living in exile, unwelcome back home...

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: The Fourteen Precepts of the Order of Interbeing

Postby alan » Fri May 13, 2011 3:50 am

Nana goes ironic. Sweet!

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Re: The Fourteen Precepts of the Order of Interbeing

Postby Lazy_eye » Sat May 14, 2011 12:16 am

Geoff,

Thank you for this.

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