ronnewmexico wrote:Oh....so the thought that life in the human realm is most conducive to the advancement spiritually
is then just...rumor?
It seems shakumuni Buddha was teaching or setting the example of attaining enlightenment in this realm not other.
Is that enlightenment then better than this example.
Or was Shakumuni Buddha then showing a false example for some such reason...
Times have now changed so Buddhism is no longer as it is....the message is now a different one....is that the thinking? Then the original message then is no longer valid due to circumstance would seem to imply it then was a imperfect message.
How bad can be these times that the circumstantial nature of things then changes?
It would seem to closely approximate the theists heaven if it held property or circumstance, isolate. Are the theists then holding the true path to this view?
ronnewmexico wrote:If you read carefully what you have quoted it does not simply state, say the name of Amitaba Buddha or some such but to hold fast...."if a good man or woman who hears of Amida Buddha holds fast to his Name even for one day, two days, three, four, five, six or seven days with a concentrated and undistracted mind,"...with a concentrated and undistracted mind.
Which also reinforces my point.....this is only capeable with spiritual prerequisits, attainments...a undistracted and concentrated miind for long periods of time which is in meditative concentration.
I remain with poiint....why pure lands?
For those who wish to become buddhas swiftly, it is necessary to pray for rebirth in a pure buddha-field. There are differing fields beyond number, and it has been declared that they are difficult to delimit in speech. Among them, in order to be born in the other superior fields excepting Sukhavati, you must attain at least the eight bhumi, having entirely cut off the two obscurations. Even to be born in the middling fields, you must entirely cut off even the most subtle aspects of the obscuration of the afflictions and attain at least the first moment on the path of contemplative cultivation. And for even the least of the fields, you must cut off attachment to self from the roots, and attain the path of seeing, that is, selflessness, the real truth. Until you've attained the path of seeing, though you pray for re-birth in a buddha-field, you'll not achieve it. But even without attaining the path of seeing, should you strive at prayer, while not engaging even in the most subtle disciplinary faults with respect to your commitments and moral training, and purifying sins and gathering the profits of virtue, you may just be born in some of the trifling fields such as Tusita, and even that will be difficult. Because in those fields there is no room for the births of common, ordinary persons (prthagjana), who wallow in the afflictions, from now on you must pray at length! Therefore, it would seem that afflicted, common persons will not be born in the field of a buddha. Nevertheless, through the power of Buddha Amitabha's prayers, birth in the Sukhavati field has been vouchsafed by lord Amitabha himself, for which reason you must by all means strive at prayer for rebirth in Sukhavati! Without doubt, suspicion, laziness, or irresolution, and by means of certainty and with ardent exertion you must pray, while recollecting the array of the Sukhavati field and its qualities. Because even common, ordinary persons, who are burdened with the afflictions, may be born in Sukhavati, it is exceptional. And having been born there, all of your wishes will be realized just a soon as you conceive them, and you will not be tainted by the merest obscuration of affliction. Moreover, because you are permitted to journey to whichever among the buddha-fields you wish, it is exceptional; and it is exceptional because buddhahood is swifter that in the other fields. Because there is nowhere another field that is closer to being attained than Sukhavati, which is endowed with the aforementioned and other qualities beyond all conception, it is exceeding important that your strive in prayer for birth in Sukhavati.
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