Being in the Present

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby monktastic » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:13 am

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
Is the meditation.
One will understand it in due course.

--Gampopa

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby muni » Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:32 am

Thank you very very much, from the offered text here:..............just being there, being within :bow: the simplest state of ourselves.

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby viniketa » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:33 am

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby monktastic » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:09 am

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
Is the meditation.
One will understand it in due course.

--Gampopa

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby Grigoris » Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:04 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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Re: Being in the Present

Postby Astus » Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:26 am

That is how samatha relates to vipasyana. In samatha the mind settles on an object (including itself), and in vipasyana one investigates the object the mind is settled on and the mind itself.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Being in the Present

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This undistracted state of ordinary mind
Is the meditation.
One will understand it in due course.

--Gampopa

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby Grigoris » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:32 pm

You know what we say in the Kagyu tradition? Every practice we do is Mahamudra practice.

I would recommend for you to practice and see for yourself, rather than expect to understand what he is saying by reading a book. Do the shine practice, observe what is going on. Do the laktong practice, observe what is going on. Compare to what is being said in the book.

Who is your Mahamudra teacher "Monktastic"?
:namaste:
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby monktastic » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:54 pm

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
Is the meditation.
One will understand it in due course.

--Gampopa

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby Grigoris » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:26 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby Astus » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:04 pm

As you quoted text says, in a deeper sense. A calm mind and an insightful mind unites in the final practice. Strictly speaking, samatha is just calming the mind, which in Mahamudra results in simply resting it in its natural state. Vipasyana is insight into the mind itself, seeing the mind that rests, seeing its nature. Vipasyana in its analytical form is looking here and there, checking and probing, asking questions and following steps of enquiry. Vipasyana in its resting form means that the investigation has finished, nothing conceivable has been found, there is awareness and emptiness without the minutest distinction.This whole process is actually also found in Kamalasila's manuals, so it's neither secret nor very specific to Mahamudra.

Another difference that can be said between samatha and vipasyana is that while in samatha you gradually move inside and you reach a stable mental state which you leave when you finish meditation, in vipasyana you open your awareness to everything that occurs and realise that the nature of mind is always unaffected by appearances, that phenomena are already empty as they are, and there is not a single state of mind you need to revert to in order to be free from suffering.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Being in the Present

Postby monktastic » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:14 pm

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
Is the meditation.
One will understand it in due course.

--Gampopa

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby Music » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:28 pm

I am still confused about watcher and watching. When I am watching, isn't the watcher already there? It is only the watcher who controls the mind, or else the mind starts daydreaming, getting distracted.

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby Grigoris » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:02 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby deepbluehum » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:22 pm

Lord Jigten Sumgon explains in Gongchig that special insight also comes first.

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby monktastic » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:29 pm

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
Is the meditation.
One will understand it in due course.

--Gampopa

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby deepbluehum » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:37 pm

If you see Ganga Mahamudra by Tilopa, you will find shyamatha/vipashyana nondual: Rest in the innate state.

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Re: Being in the Present

Postby monktastic » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:31 am

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
Is the meditation.
One will understand it in due course.

--Gampopa


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