Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
How does karma work in relation to so called Demons, Are they subject to it? And what does Buddhism say on how do Demons operate?
Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
That says that so called Mara the demon is karma. Isn't demon a being with intelligence and karma an impersonal physical law?
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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
Early Buddhism seems to point to Mara as metaphorical. IE, our own inner demons. However, when Buddhism spread to other countries Mara was seen as an actual being. I prefer the earlier version personally.
Gassho,
Seishin
Gassho,
Seishin
Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
You know what puzzles me know: Demons are evil. Mara tempted Buddha. Mara is therefore intelligent and evil.
Now, how can people call demons karma when the is good karma wich is hot exclusively evil like demons are?
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Now, how can people call demons karma when the is good karma wich is hot exclusively evil like demons are?
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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
There are demon-like beings in Buddhism. Mostly they are in the realm of hungry spirits and the lower heavens. These are for example the naga (aquatic serpent demons), yaksha (nature spirits), rakshasa (man-eating demons), pishacha (flesh-eating demons), kimnara (centaurs), asura (warrior gods), mahoraga (subterranean serpent demons).
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
There are both.Ervin wrote:That says that so called Mara the demon is karma. Isn't demon a being with intelligence and karma an impersonal physical law?
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A "māra" can refer to a personal mental obstacle of sorts (kleśa-māra) while it can also refer to an intelligent being. The Māra King is a deva named Paranirmita-vaśavartin or Pāpīyan in the sixth heaven of the desire realm. There are numerous other lesser māras, demons and spirits which Astus outlined above.
These demons are not physical beings as we would normally perceive them. The word "spirit" in English might be best used to describe them. They can directly attack people and this often manifests as mental illness, but can also result in possession or in milder cases otherwise irrational impulses. People undergoing emotional trauma are especially susceptible to such possession. Both Tibetan and Indian Ayurveda diagnose and address these illnesses. Daoism and some schools of East Asian Buddhism are able to address these problems as well. Some western occult traditions like the Order of the Golden Dawn have their methods too.
Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
I disagree. I think the ideas of Māra and devas were there from the start. By the Buddha's own admission these beings exist.Seishin wrote:Early Buddhism seems to point to Mara as metaphorical. IE, our own inner demons. However, when Buddhism spread to other countries Mara was seen as an actual being. I prefer the earlier version personally.
Gassho,
Seishin
Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
So I can be Mara in my next life if Mara is simply a sentient being? Watch out, I am good at tempting.
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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
Yes.Ervin wrote:So I can be Mara in my next life if Mara is simply a sentient being? Watch out, I am good at tempting.
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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
Certainly there from the start yes. And devas yes I see as sentient beings, but I'm not too sure about Mara as a sentient being. However I'm not a scholar like yourself so it's just my thoughts.Huseng wrote: I disagree. I think the ideas of Māra and devas were there from the start. By the Buddha's own admission these beings exist.
Gassho,
Seishin.
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Demons are metaphorical and so is my own ego..
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Metaphor for what? Also please, what's the ego metaphor for?
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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
Ultimately demons are your own negative emotions.Ervin wrote:How does karma work in relation to so called Demons, Are they subject to it? And what does Buddhism say on how do Demons operate?
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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
For? For the path, i.e. confusion.Ervin wrote:Metaphor for what? Also please, what's the ego metaphor for?
It has been the misfortune (not, as these gentlemen think it, the glory) of this age that everything is to be discussed. Edmund Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France.
Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
Demons are real. Just look in the mirror - we have ~7B of them on the planet.Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote:Demons are metaphorical and so is my own ego..
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Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
Good question. Karma means action. What comes around, goes around. Actions and intentions can harden into habits. Habits of mind that are harmful or poisonous (think about hatred, insatiable greed, plain old ignorance) behave like demons.Ervin wrote:That says that so called Mara the demon is karma. Isn't demon a being with intelligence and karma an impersonal physical law?
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Yeah, but there is a thing called good or white karma. Now can you call that a demon?
Also, why is white good? It's just a color?
Also, why is white good? It's just a color?
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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
So long as there is "I" or "mine," there is a demon, whether the actions are good or bad.Ervin wrote:Yeah, but there is a thing called good or white karma. Now can you call that a demon?
Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that there exiet so called Demons
It is a Buddhist belief that all is void.
However most of us are full of it
rather than empty.
Same with demonic questions.
However most of us are full of it
rather than empty.
Same with demonic questions.