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Bodhisattva vow in Theravada

Postby cddesjar » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:28 pm

Hi,
I wondering if one can take the Bodhisattva vow and be a Theravada Buddhist? Does it make sense? I have been really drawn to Theravada over the various schools of Mahayana but I wonder if taking the Bodhisattva vow is consistent with Theravada Buddhism and something that a lay person could take?
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Re: Bodhisattva vow in Theravada

Postby bodom » Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:25 pm

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To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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Re: Bodhisattva vow in Theravada

Postby Modus.Ponens » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:03 pm

If you are refering to a vow to become a future Buddha, I see no contradiction with Theravada. If you are refering to the bodhisattva vows traditionaly found in Mahayana, take a look at this (the 4th vow) and ponder if you want this kind of commitment:

4. Abandoning the Mahayana.
If you reject the Mahayana, or any part of it, saying that it is not the teaching of the Buddha, you will break this root vow. To some, the Mahayana seems complicated and overly mystical. The teachings assert the existence of countless manifestations of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas. Some people are unable to come to grips with this vast scope and such things as the sophisticated tantric methods contained in the Mahayana. They may come to think, or even say to others, 'The Mahayana is mixed with non-Buddhist practices. It is not a pure teaching of the Buddha as is the Hinayana.' By thinking in this way you abandon the Mahayana and break this vow
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Bodhisattva vow in Theravada

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Re: Bodhisattva vow in Theravada

Postby retrofuturist » Sun May 01, 2011 12:20 am

Greetings Dan,

Thanks for the clarification, but now let's get...

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Metta,
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Bodhisattva vow in Theravada

Postby cddesjar » Sun May 01, 2011 1:41 am

Thanks this has been helpful. Especially the links to previous posts.

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Re: Bodhisattva vow in Theravada

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Re: Bodhisattva vow in Theravada

Postby Fitz » Wed May 25, 2011 10:00 pm

Chris-

As I understand it the Bodhisattva vow involves vowing to reach the edge of enlightenment but wait to help all sentient beings out of samsara. This doesn't really work in the Theravada tradition because the goal is ultimate enlightenment and if you were on the edge of release why would you want to stop? Also, as an unenlightened being would you really be in a position to decide what you should do in the future when your on the cusp of nibbana?

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Re: Bodhisattva vow in Theravada

Postby Aloka » Thu May 26, 2011 5:36 am

We can't really ''help'' others on a spiritual level until we have practised and then gained some understanding ourselves first.

''Saving all sentient beings'' doesn't actually make any sense and reminds me a lot of evangelical "Jesus Saves" posters.

In Theravada there's the inclusion of Metta practice ,contemplation of the Brahma Viharas, and Reflections on Universal Well-Being - all of which help generate loving kindness and compassion for others.

In my opinion these qualities will arise quietly and naturally anyway, as a result of practice both on and off the cushion, without any need for an emphasis on formal 'Bodhisattva Vows' .


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Re: Bodhisattva vow in Theravada

Postby Ben » Thu May 26, 2011 6:15 am

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Re: Bodhisattva vow in Theravada

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 26, 2011 6:21 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Bodhisattva vow in Theravada

Postby Ytrog » Thu May 26, 2011 7:09 am

I still have a pure logical problem with vowing for the liberation of all other beings before yourself: if anyone other than you also takes this vow you have a .

This alone is enough reason for me to consider it a noble, but totally unrealistic practice.

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Re: Bodhisattva vow in Theravada

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 26, 2011 9:32 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine


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