How do gay Buddhists explain this one?

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Re: How do gay Buddhists explain this one?

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Re: How do gay Buddhists explain this one?

Postby Norwegian » Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:59 pm

How about common sense?

I reported this post a day ago, when it was made. Post still stands as is.

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Postby Yudron » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:13 am

I missed the "dirt" comment before, Greg, thanks for pointing that out.

Instead of removing his posts, I'd prefer they would be moved and prominently displayed in the Dzogchen forum -- where he usually posts -- so that everyone can know who they are dealing with.
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Re: How do gay Buddhists explain this one?

Postby greentara » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:20 am

It's not only the brahmins who have a hand in this. The Dalai Lama has repeatedly maintained that homosexual acts are a violation against the precepts. At the same time, he insists on compassion and full human rights for all. His stance is solely concerned with what is appropriate behaviour for a Buddhist practitioner, not what should be made law. His argument is that the sexual organs are designed for procreation and should be used solely for that purpose. So any form of sex that is not for procreation is out.

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Re: How do gay Buddhists explain this one?

Postby Lhug-Pa » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:02 am

It's not that dramatic guys. I mean it's not like I've hurled insults at anybody or used pejoratives or anything like that. So we agree to disagree. Is that alright?

Anyway, in reply to Greentara:

"Procreation" can also refer to the creation of the Illusory Body:
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Re: How do gay Buddhists explain this one?

Postby Adumbra » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:06 am

The deeper question here is how should Buddhism be defined? By what the Buddha allegedly said, or by what has actually been practiced for over 2000 years? Is sexual continance of any kind necessary? What about monks like Ikkyu who regularly visited the local whorehouse?

With an quasi-open cannon, there are many practices which can be either condemned or condoned (vegetarianism comes to mind.) While I'm not aware of any scripture that says 'Yeah, go ahead an screw members of your own sex', homosexuality, especially pederasty, has been a common practice for centuries in Buddhist monastaries throughout Asia and, unlike Catholicism which turned a blind eye to a practice which was definitely considered sinful, it was often practiced very openly as an acceptable form of sexual release for monks who couldn't get married.

Here's an interesting article:

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Re: How do gay Buddhists explain this one?

Postby Grigoris » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:43 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: How do gay Buddhists explain this one?

Postby Lhug-Pa » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:52 am

Yudron, I have done oral sex with women in the past; yet I refrain from doing it now.

Thank you for elaborating Kunzang. I really do not wish to drag this out anymore; so as things currently stand here, I'd rather just leave it as us agreeing to disagree.

Although I do want to point out, Gregkavarnos, that using inapplicable words like "hatred" and referring to my posts as "outbursts" is every bit a logical fallacy as any "appeal to authority".

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Re: How do gay Buddhists explain this one?

Postby Lhug-Pa » Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:46 am

Agreeing to disagree means respecting other's right to have their own views, even if you don't think that the other individual's views have any validity or integrity.


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