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Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby andre9999 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:41 am

Also, I did illegally download music once. I wanted the Lionel Richie Anthology, but certainly not enough to pay for it. I think the Buddha would understand where I was coming from on that.

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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby BlackBird » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:24 pm

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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby chownah » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:41 pm

"Does illegal downloading [because it's considered stealing] violate the 2nd precept [which says don't steal]"?
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I don't consider copying something which is sent to my home as stealing...I consider it my right........if you don't want me to copy a song then don't send it to my home. If you don't want me to make a copy of something then don't put it out in public and don't send it to my home......in the beginning you could wander around the world and make a copy of anything that you saw and heard.....then some people figured that if they could interfere with your freedom to do this then they could make alot of money....so they got gov't's to pass laws infringing on our freedoms so that their friends could make alot of money.....it used to be that one could copy anything that happened in their home....then some people figured out that if they could infringe on the rights to do that then they could make alot of money......its as simple as that......people partnered with the coersive power of gov't to infringe on my freedoms so they can make alot of money!!!!!! I don't play that way....I have freedom and I use it....copying things in the public space and in my own private space is not taking anything that is not freely given........if you put something in the public space it is understood that someone can copy it....if you put something in my private space it is understood that I can copy it.........if you don't want your stuff copied then don't put it in places where people can do that and don't think that you have the right to infringe on someone elses rights simply by placing something in the public venue or sending it to their private home.....

DON'T TAKE AWAY MY RIGHTS UNLESS THEY ARE FREELY GIVEN....especially if its just so you can make alot of money...this is true greed.........
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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby Bodhisurfer » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:49 pm

personally I beleive it does break the precept which i interpret as not taking what is not freely given. :buddha2:
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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby Alex123 » Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:05 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby Alex123 » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:57 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby Kenshou » Sun May 01, 2011 12:44 am

The files may be freely offered by the person who is allowing them to be downloaded. But they are not being freely offered by whoever those files originated from. And I think that's the issue.

I have a feeling that the Buddha wouldn't have said "Don't take what isn't freely offered, but if someone else takes it and then offers it to, you then it's okay because technically you aren't breaking any rules".

Phfft.

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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby andre9999 » Sun May 01, 2011 1:55 am

Alex, did you seriously compare water and air to copying music, as if one needs to listen to the music someone else creates in order to survive?

That may be the poorest analogy I have ever encountered in my life.

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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby chownah » Sun May 01, 2011 2:41 am

In your own home:

If you hear a song being played and later you find yourself humming it....is this a violation of the 2nd precept?
If you hear a song being played and later you sing it...is this a violation of the 2nd precept?
If you hear a song being played and later you sing it and play along with a guitar...is this a violation of the 2nd precept?
If you hear a song being played and later you sint it in the same style as ther one you heard and likewise with the guitar and you use your electronic drum machine to provide the rhythm...is this a violation of the 2nd precept?
If you record yourself playingt he song poorly is this a violation of the 2nd precept?
If you record youself playing the song so like the original that your friends can't tell the difference is this a violation of the second precept?
If you record yourself playing the song so exactly like the original that when digitally analyzed the recording can not be distinguished from the original is this a violation of the 2nd precept?.
If you sell any of these copies is it a violation of the 2nd precept?....if so then which ones?

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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby retrofuturist » Sun May 01, 2011 3:49 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby andre9999 » Sun May 01, 2011 1:09 pm

Quite frankly I'm apathetic about the topic. Is copying music really harming your practice? No, probably not considering all the other unskillful things we do. Does copying music help you move towards enlightenment? I seriously doubt it.

If you need Dhamma to rubber stamp your music copying habits, then you can probably justify it by the precepts. If you don't copying music is a bad thing to do because of freedoms or liberties or whatever else, then you're fine regardless of the precepts.


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