Raksha wrote:That's a Western Scientific perspective, a tradition that is only two hundred years old, yet apparently knows everything. In this frankly delusional world view everything throughout millions of years of human history was meaningless caveman-stuff up to day...the myth of progress. The other view, of Buddhism, and Ancient Indian Cosmology is the opposite...once we were like gods, and now we have descended to this state. The fact that we have come up with a few amazing scientific toys doesn't cut it, because our minds have completely degenerated. Now instead of flying to explore Antarctica by the magic power of thought we have to buy stupid air tickets.
Huseng wrote:There is a widespread belief of definite progress in our modern day, which you incidentally display, that suggests without question we know better about reality than anyone else before us.
Raksha wrote:That's a Western Scientific perspective, a tradition that is only two hundred years old, yet apparently knows everything.
Huseng wrote:They also had atomic theory and measurements for things at the atomic level.
There is also the question of how much knowledge from ancient periods has simply been lost with no record of it. Take for example the antikythera mechanism which was pulled out of the sea about a century ago. Until it was discovered we really had no idea people in that period of Roman/Greek history could build such things.
It leads one to wonder about other lost technologies, sciences and knowledge.
In India especially given the vague historical record we're really uncertain about its ancient periods. Some of the ancient literature even speaks of flying devices and metal automatons of all things.
When it comes to astronomy, as Thompson points out in his book, they had no shortage of accurate astronomical knowledge. Some of it doesn't match up with contemporary numbers, but then much of it actually does correspond close enough. There's also the possibility of data being corrupted over the centuries in the transmission of the texts (Thompson indicates this as well).
Curiously, Vedic astronomy also claims its knowledge was bestowed unto humanity from gods. It was originally knowledge not of this world. Vedic mathematics are also associated with various gods. Apparently some gods like math.
Raksha wrote:Galileo dismissed Kepler as an 'occultist' because he proposed that the moon caused the tides, so science was completely half formed at that point. Isaac Newton wrote more texts about alchemy than about physics. Even half a century ago doctors were celebrating the final defeat of all communicable diseases and telling us that we should brush our teeth with radium toothpaste and cure depression by having a spike rammed into the brain. Of course that's all glossed over now, with that wonderful selective memory of Western science.
kirtu wrote:How extensive is Vedic math? Mathematics is the very structure of the physical universe (and in this case I mean all phenomena).
viniketa wrote:kirtu wrote:How extensive is Vedic math? Mathematics is the very structure of the physical universe (and in this case I mean all phenomena).
http://talentsearch.ted.com/video/Gaura ... DBangalore
And: http://www.hinduism.co.za/vedic.htm#Wha ... athematics
In short, much more advanced than we tend to think.
viniketa wrote:Those links are more to the modern use of ancient techniques of calculus as a teaching method. I'm not a mathematician nor an expert in the history of mathematics. My degrees are in the area of the sociology of science and technology, so I know enough of the history of science to have a good understanding of how much of the historical records of Asian developments in science in math have been neglected in the re-telling of history in West.
P.S.: The point is that the Sutras from which these techniques are developed are not discussed in the Western account of the development of mathematics. Given the age of the sutras, one has to rethink the historical developments of mathematics.
kirtu wrote:It looks like Indian mathematics got stuck after calculus around 1500 AD (maybe earlier) through Ramanujan in the early 1900's. The history of Indian mathematics needs to be written. Looks like the Mughals stopped India in it's tracks and switched the intellectual track entirely (but perhaps not - very impressive engineering occurred in this time as well).
kirtu wrote:There have been claims from Indians that in fact Leibnitz or Newton actually had access to Indian text's teaching differential calculus. Of course Leibnitz developed integral calculus but it may have been that one or the other or both got a jump start from India.
Raksha wrote:As for 'Vedic mathematics' without it we would not be having this pleasant chat because of course we would not have a zero.
kirtu wrote:We do without question know better about physical reality than any generation preceding us (with some allowance for the loss of some knowledge like concrete which was lost to the world for some 1500 years after the fall of the Roman Empire).
I'll have to check out the text. Ancients had very accurate astronomical data. However they did not have a real description of our solar system as it really physically exists. They seem to know have known that planets orbited the Sun in ellipses for example. It really seems that no one knew that until Kepler (who wouldn't have figured it out either if he accepted observational errors in Brahe's extensive observations like everyone else).
Huseng wrote:With science divorced from any kind of spirituality (becoming 'morally neutral' like a tool), it falls prey to negative habituations of humans owing to our afflictions.
viniketa wrote:In short, much more advanced than we tend to think. It is true that the rate of scientific discovery and technological change in the last 400 years outstrips anything that's gone before.
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