Gelug View of Dzogchen?

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Re: Gelug View of Dzogchen?

Postby Caz » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:34 am

Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.

Liberation in the Palm of your hand~Kyabje Pabongkha Rinpoche.

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Re: Gelug View of Dzogchen?

Postby JKhedrup » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:48 am

Since Buton Rinchen Drub was a great Sakya scholar and abbot of the important Shalu monastery it would be interesting to know how his conservative views were seen by the modern Rimey masters of the Sakya tradition like Kyentse Chokyi Lodro. We see that many of the great Sakya masters, heirs of Buton, came to appreciate the Dzogchen teachings, so perhaps the same will happen in Gelug?
I don't think that you will see a widespread acceptance of Dzogchen as the pinnacle of all in the Gelug monasteries but an appreciation of its effectiveness and its practice by certain adepts within the tradition without sectarian institutional censure is certainly something we can hope for.

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Re: Gelug View of Dzogchen?

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Re: Gelug View of Dzogchen?

Postby JKhedrup » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:57 am

Chokyila,
I'm well, thank you.
Thanks so much for sharing the information on Achos Rinpoche. It is nice to see that practically the Gelug tradition leaves room for great practitioners to aim for realization using a myriad of methods, including Dzogchen. And that such adepts can also hold positions within the institutional framework. It gives one hope!
I must admit it my ignorance I had not heard of this master, now I am going to do some research.

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Re: Gelug View of Dzogchen?

Postby MalaBeads » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:39 pm

I am well aware of my idiocy. I am also very aware that you too are an idiot. Therein lies our mutuality.

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Re: Gelug View of Dzogchen?

Postby Namgyal » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:28 pm

:namaste: It depends which Gelug. Within this school there has always been two camps. The liberal camp, championed by successive Dalai Lamas, is Rime and so open to all traditions, whereas the conservative camp, exemplified by Pabongka and Co. would be very happy if the other schools simply withered away, leaving them in charge.

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Re: Gelug View of Dzogchen?

Postby lama tsewang » Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:13 pm

to khedrup.
Tsongkhapa wrote a chod commentary , it was translated by sawaas , for her phd thesis . i believe this was for the buddhist studies at madison wisconsin. UI have read her book. so it is , it would seem, a part of the gelugpa lineage , from its inception.

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Re: Gelug View of Dzogchen?

Postby JKhedrup » Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:57 am

Lama Tsewang-la,
This surprises me! Thanks for pointing that out and I will try to investigate that. I did not realize that there was Chod in LTK's Sungbum, but of course his Sungbum is vast and I have only read tiny portions of it!


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