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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:48 am 
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Im trying to understand the viewpoint of pleasure and feelings. Ive read that everything is impermanent, because everything is made up by atoms that are in constant flow of becoming and disapering. But still I dont understand how to think about it. Why is it bad to like pleasure and want to stay away from suffering? Isnt it in our nature to want to make things better for ourself? What do you tell yourself when you feel desire or aversion?

How about feelings. We shouldn't react and put labels on events. What does that mean? Does it mean that we should go around like robots and never express our feelings? Should we be indifferent to everything that happens? What do you tell yourself when you feel a feeling?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:05 am 
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Tilopa said: "The problem is not enjoyment. The problem is attachment."


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:14 am 
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So we can enjoy everything and feel everything aslong as we dont get attached to it? Can we desire certain things and feelings as long as we arent getting attached to them or the result?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:54 am 
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mrbambocha wrote:
So we can enjoy everything and feel everything aslong as we dont get attached to it? Can we desire certain things and feelings as long as we arent getting attached to them or the result?


I think the problem with this would be that there is no desire (for happiness or pleasure) that a person can feel, in which they will not become attached to. When you allow positive things to come to you, you should appreciate them and enjoy them, but accept they will fade away, possibly to return again possibly not. If you become attached to a feeling, or pleasurable activity, you will grasp to it, and it will cause suffering when it fades.


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mrbambocha wrote:
Im trying to understand the viewpoint of pleasure and feelings. Ive read that everything is impermanent, because everything is made up by atoms that are in constant flow of becoming and disapering. But still I dont understand how to think about it. Why is it bad to like pleasure and want to stay away from suffering? Isnt it in our nature to want to make things better for ourself? What do you tell yourself when you feel desire or aversion?

How about feelings. We shouldn't react and put labels on events. What does that mean? Does it mean that we should go around like robots and never express our feelings? Should we be indifferent to everything that happens? What do you tell yourself when you feel a feeling?


The instructions of the lineage point out the space-like nature of feelings. When feelings are recognized as the Dharmakaya, it is enlightenment beyond suppression or expression.


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