Karma vs luck

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Re: Karma vs luck

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Re: Karma vs luck

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Re: Karma vs luck

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:55 am

Greetings bhante,

A mugging is performed on account of the volitional action of others.

Are you suggesting that one man's kamma gives rise as a proximite cause to another man's kamma?

If so, where is the personal responsibility and moral agency for the mugger in that scenario?

Can a mugger's kamma be a victim's vipaka? Can separate streams of kamma and vipaka intermingle and crossover in such a way?

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Karma vs luck

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:50 am

I am not going to be mugged and dragged into another endless discussion about This was discussed ad nauseum in the Boxing-day Tsunami Thread on E-Sangha, and no doubt has alerady been discussed at some length in previous threads here too.

The victim's vipāka is the result of his/her previous kamma — the mugger's kamma has not yet given any result, but will do in future existences or in rare cases like that of Angulimala in this very life.

Do your own research and reconcile your own doubts.

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Re: Karma vs luck

Postby Ben » Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:10 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Karma vs luck

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:32 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Karma vs luck

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