Bridge between Heart and Mind

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Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby Tanmart22 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:07 pm

Greetings all- this is my first topic here, and I hope I'm not being overly redundant or boring... feel free to redirect me if necessary.

So... the more I learn about Buddhism, and the more I put myself in the radius of the teachings, I realize that many of the Buddhist values are universal, and can be approached and understood by seekers everywhere, through intuition, wisdom, compassion, and a relentless pursuit of the truth.

The essence of the tradition, as evidenced by the life of the Buddha, is a rejection of false (established) practices, and putting the pursuit of truth above all else. The Buddha succeeded because he was able to break through the lies of the world.

This being said, I think the establishment and dissemination of the Buddha's teachings and the tradition of compassion and introspection that the Buddha's success has fostered is a jewel of humanity, and a beacon of light for seekers everywhere.

I feel like a big part of this tradition is bringing the rhythm of the heart and the panorama of the mind into synchrony.

This is where the practice of meditation becomes a useful tool, in calming the heart, clearing the mind, and introducing them to one another, almost for the first time.



My dilema (and potentially that of others) is that much of this synchrony depends on interest and support.

If I am doing something that I find to be truly interesting, or in an environment where I feel comfortable, wanted, needed, and accepted, my heart rate stabilizes and my mind lights up.

The problem is that I don't have control over this. So in a typical meditation situation, where I am sitting in a quiet room, focusing on the breath and trying to clear the mind, none of these positive mechanics are at work.

And the question arises, why should they be? I mean, you aren't doing anything, you're just sitting there, that's really nothing to feel good about. Don't get me wrong, I don't totally agree with this, but on a sub-conscious level, this is my tendency, I am realistic about this situation, and so it is decidedly uninspiring and uneventful.

Maybe that is the point... to immerse oneself in the mundane, and in that moment of focus, to see the magical.



Essentially, I think this is a key point of Buddhism. To be able to stabilize your heart and engage your mind, even when the environment is not terribly interesting or supportive. But I am having some trouble doing this.

So, help a new guy out.

Thanks.
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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby Andrew108 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:02 am

Do you mean to say that heart rate and meditation are linked somehow? And that you want to have a low heart beat? I don't quite understand. Or is it that you feel something is lacking in your practice and heart rate shouldn't matter?
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.

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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby catmoon » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:26 am

count the breaths.

one in
one out
two in
two out


count to ten then start again at one.

watch each breath come and go.

When the mind is calm, you can stop counting.

When the mind becomes active, return to counting.
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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby Tanmart22 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:47 pm

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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby Tanmart22 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:49 pm

And really I have been seeking advice on this for some time, and have consulted other sources, and obviously I have heard the "just meditate - focus on (count) the breath)" line way too many times.


It's great but... let's really dive in, get some useful and engaging practices.
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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby Andrew108 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:13 pm

Sorry for not understanding. Hopefully someone here does. Best wishes.
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.

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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby lobster » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:31 am

Facebook and twitter dharma is available on those media.

Where is your dharma blog? This will enable you to focus on the heart of your needs and see them for what they are . . .
Would you be better suited to New Age Buddhism for example? Perhaps you can provide an example of a practice that engages the two parts of your being?

Do you really just want us to entertain you? :juggling:

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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby Tanmart22 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:43 pm

Yeah I mean, in reality what I am asking is pretty straightforward, and there is no need to cloud the thread by saying I'm not offering enough information, or saying I just want to be entertained.......


My question is not a meditation question, although types of mediation may be part of the remedy, but I would certainly hope it extends beyond that. It is a matter of perspective and an approach to life as it is happening.

The entire mind is electrical, but only parts are visual, and sometimes the electricity is so widespread and intense that the visual parts of the mind take a backseat.
Although as we know, they never die, and they don't even really weaken, if we retain a certain commitment. But they become MASKED, and thus we have great difficulty in finding and using them.

All this relates to the tempo of the heart. When we are able to access the visual parts of our mind, our heart stabilizes, and when our heart stabilizes, we have an easier time accessing the visual parts of our mind.


So... again, the work here is developing practices of regulating (at times attenuating, and other times expanding) the flow of electricity so our entire being becomes more stable from one moment to the next, and mentally we exist in more engaged state.


Please guys, I'm being super open and informative here, and I'm just genuinely looking for advice.
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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby catmoon » Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:21 am

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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby Tanmart22 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:46 am

OK, so essentially what you are saying is that stillness i.e. meditation is really the thing I should be doing, and other avenues are really not going to bear fruit?

By the way I am perfectly OK with meditation as a practice, but I don't think I am doing it correctly.

In general I am a quiet person, taking a good amount of time for self reflection, introspection, situational awareness, etc.

But when I try to actually meditate, i.e. sitting in stillness slowing the breath, my mind fades, and the vibrancy that I get whiffs of and am pursuing, it does not snap into focus, but it vanishes completely.

So in a sense I am left with an empty mind, but for me this is not a desirable state.

I would draw a distinction between my non-working version of meditation and something else that I would call fluid focus, where basically you are totally in synch with yourself, and you are not zombified, but living, engaged in the world, and yet there is no duality, no doubt, but your mind and heart are one cohesive unit. And becoming better acquainted with this state was sort of the point of me starting this thread, but maybe I am asking the wrong crowd. Maybe it is more along the lines of spirituality or humanity, all though to me these are core pillars of Buddhism.

So, I am fine with diverting and taking a different road, and I encourage you to elaborate upon your belief and to help me see things in a new light.
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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby lobster » Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:42 am

most of us can not meditate
suffer from wooly thinking
prefer easy answers
want the confirmation of our :quoteunquote: insights :quoteunquote:

In short we are in a condition of dukkha rather than
'being in the zone' of mind / body / heart integration
of the realised. :heart:

So we wander and wonder, why can no one see our wonderful
inner nature.

If Buddhism is required. Buddhism too has requirements.

:zzz: in my dreams I am a Buddha :zzz: :buddha1:
and if no one one accepts my dreams as real I can always :tantrum:

Is there any hope for me? :rolleye:

:hi: maybe I will join the :alien: . . . m m m . . . not sure yet . . .

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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby catmoon » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:00 am

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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby Andrew108 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:14 am

The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.

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Re: Bridge between Heart and Mind

Postby Tanmart22 » Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:49 pm

THANK YOU i really appreciate these last few replies.... yes I do need a teacher...
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