Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

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Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby Daniel83 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:11 pm

Hello everybody, I'm new on this forum and to Buddhism as a whole! :)

Currently I'm dealing a bit with Theravada Buddhism though I must say I feel more connected to Vajrayana! I've read that in Vajrayana a teacher or Guru is absolutely essential, is that true?? I mean my problem is that I suffer from pretty bad Social Anxiety (I get physical symptoms around people) and I'm having a problem dealing with people in general. I'm not saying that I will never look for a Guru but I don't know if I would be able to search for one at the moment.

My question would be if there are actually people who practice Vajrayana without a teacher? And if that's even possible, at least some easy practices?

I'd really appreciate your help and looking forward to some answers :)

Thanks alot

and regards


PS: Sorry for my bad English :)

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Re: Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby Malcolm » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:20 pm





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Re: Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby catmoon » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:39 am

Vajrayana without a guru? How do you practice guru yoga without a guru?

Sounds to me like trying to win the Indy 500. On foot.
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Re: Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby Quiet Heart » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:48 am

:smile:
Just out of curiosity lets just change the actual question slightly.
let's make the question this:
Is it possible to start a practice of Vajrayana without direct personal one-to-one contact with a Guru?
Or more concisely...could such a practice be done with a sincere and dedicated student through direct on-line communications...the student and Guru not having to be physically being present in a room together?
To be clear, I' don't intend to be that student....I'm just asking the question.
I presume also, that would require a Guru also willing to try the experiment.
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Re: Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby Konchog1 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:44 am

Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

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Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

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Re: Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby catmoon » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:20 am

What Konchog said. A lot of Vajrayana is built around the presence of a teacher, and is dependent on him. Not that I'm an expert, of course. Not even well read on the subject. But ask anyone, really. Well, anyone who has done the practice.
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Re: Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby Malcolm » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:58 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby lobster » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:11 pm

A path that is no path at all . . .
Sounds ideal . . .

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Re: Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby Malcolm » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:16 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
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Re: Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby Blue Garuda » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:54 pm

You can practice whatever path you like, but it is not Vajrayana just because you attack that label to it, and more than my clapped out car becomes a Ferrari if I stick the badge on it. Nor does it become a 'complete' path by the same logic.

In terms of the OP, social anxiety need not be a barrier. Some Gurus give teachings and support online, others will see you alone or in a small group. Ask around locally at first, and check out the threads here about different teachers.
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Re: Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby zangskar » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:05 pm

Not that I think that I intend to disagree, if you mean what I think you mean.. :) But probably most Tibetans don't have a guru and It's not uncommon to think that access to a guru is something only for the rich or powerful, Westerners, etc. So unless the aim is to exclude a lot of Buddhist Tibetans from Tibetan Buddhism and then I thnk it's best to clarify exactly what is meant by 'practicing' Vajrayana, and perhaps 'guru' as well.

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Re: Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby Daniel83 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:08 pm

thanks for your replies, guys, they've been very helpful, well maybe Vajrayana is really not for me, or maybe I'm not yet ready for it :) Thanks anyways

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Re: Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby DGA » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:09 pm

Hi lobster,

You mentioned you have a teacher in a lineage. Would you mind specifying who your teacher is, or which lineage? that may help us understand your comments above.

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Re: Anyone here practicing Vajrayana without a Guru?

Postby zangskar » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:12 pm

I doubt there is any statistics about that. What I wrote is just a uneducated guess based on the people I have met. But my intention was just to note the existence of this population not argue about it's possible size. By 'guru' I meant personal teacher, that's what I think Daniel83 means too. Malcolm stated "transmission from a guru", as a requirement for Vajrayana, that's more precise, but then others were talking about gurus without specifying exactly what is meant. But maybe it's just common knowledge to everyone what it means to have a guru and I'm the only one who's confused.

Anyway,I did not make claims about what people should do or not and I'm not looking to argue with the orthodox point of view, sorry. I was just asking for some clarification about details that I didn't think were spelled out properly. :)

Best wishes
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