Atomic/Rainbow Body

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Re: Atomic/Rainbow Body

Postby T. Chokyi » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:49 am

magnagei wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
The Dzogchen approach to developing compassion is not to cultivate compassion through mindfulness and so on, observing how one feels, etc. The Dzogchen approach is based on discovering one's real nature. Once that is discovered, it is impossible not to have compassion for all sentient beings who are ignorant of their real nature -- that is "essencelove".


I've been wondering about this alot lately. It seems to me many masters talk about the importance of devotion to the guru and compassion for sentient beings even in Dzogchen. This confuses me because what you stated seems very similar to things I have heard ChNN say, who I am a student of. While I certainly believe that ChNN is realized, I also have to believe that many of these other masters are as well and wonder why they say these things in a Dzogchen context. Am I confusing the deliberate attempt to force more compassion and devotion upon oneself with the naturally arising compassion and devotion that will arise by recognizing ones own nature?

In other words, should we not dwell on ideas like devotion and compassion and just continue in this way?


Depends, you may not be "forcing" but you maybe consciously exerting or "generating" rather than having a genuine experience of spontaneously arisen compassion in yourself, which is what your nature does/provides, this naturally spontaneous compassion goes hand in hand with the purity of the nature. Recognition of ones nature can't be "built" with a formula of things to do. One cannot "gain a profound understanding" of Great Perfection teachings or ones real nature by building anything, while doing all the "building" one can still miss it, even through "Mahayana Practices" which are beneficial for those that do them, still, experiencing ones own nature does not solely depend on them, especially when it comes to Dzogchen, it would be a ka-zillion times better to just make the concerted effort to get the Direct Introduction to ones nature from a qualified Dzogchen master like CHNN, and by eventually being in that state, let that be one's "foundation" for everything else "Dzogchen".

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Re: Atomic/Rainbow Body

Postby muni » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:00 pm

Malcolm: "it is impossible not to have compassion for all sentient beings who are ignorant of their real nature -- that is "essencelove".

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Re: Atomic/Rainbow Body

Postby oldbob » Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:48 pm

muni wrote:
Jeff wrote:[
My understanding of the specific "terms" in Dzogchen has grown since this statement.

To "see/percieve" the rainbow body, one must reside in Rigpa.

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Oh, I see you mean not grown by analysis. It is said then in Rigpa all is clear and no extra clarity of analysing terms can make more clear, as being only adding fabrications in what already is perfectly clear.
Trying to explain merely words, therefore free thoughts must not be allowed to arise-subside in themselves and so the aware nature aware of itself is broken in distraction. I am demonstrating. lol.
To be able to analyse the moon reflection in the water, there must be one out of the union of emptiness clarity. That's me.

*Nobody home and the light is on*. Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche :anjali:


:namaste: Muni. all and All,

Thank you for your resonant and harmonious formulations.

Wow - Thanks, I had not heard that beautiful quotation before.

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"Nobody home AND the light is on!"

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Re: Atomic/Rainbow Body

Postby muni » Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:55 pm

oldbob wrote:[

:bow: :bow: :bow: Kyabje Dilgo Kyentse Rinpoche

"Nobody home AND the light is on!"

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When clarity in mind is not mistakenly seen as "other", or not understood as "other".

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Re: Atomic/Rainbow Body

Postby Jeff » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:59 pm

muni wrote:
oldbob wrote:[

:bow: :bow: :bow: Kyabje Dilgo Kyentse Rinpoche

"Nobody home AND the light is on!"

:heart:


When clarity in mind is not mistakenly seen as "other", or not understood as "other".

:bow: :bow: :bow:


What do you mean by mistakenly seeing "other"? How is that possible when the "light is on"?

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Re: Atomic/Rainbow Body

Postby muni » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:08 pm

Jeff wrote:
muni wrote:
oldbob wrote:[

:bow: :bow: :bow: Kyabje Dilgo Kyentse Rinpoche

"Nobody home AND the light is on!"

:heart:


When clarity in mind is not mistakenly seen as "other", or not understood as "other".

:bow: :bow: :bow:


What do you mean by mistakenly seeing "other"? How is that possible when the "light is on"?

:smile:


Seen as another or something other by subject. That is not possible when nobody home and the light is on. Teaching Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
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Re: Atomic/Rainbow Body

Postby Jeff » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:54 pm

muni wrote:
Jeff wrote:
muni wrote:
When clarity in mind is not mistakenly seen as "other", or not understood as "other".

:bow: :bow: :bow:


What do you mean by mistakenly seeing "other"? How is that possible when the "light is on"?

:smile:


Seen as another or something other by subject. That is not possible when nobody home and the light is on. Teaching Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
:smile: :namaste:


Thanks. But how is it possible for the "light to be on" and somebody home? Homebodies always seem to block the light...

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Re: Atomic/Rainbow Body

Postby muni » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:38 am

Jeff wrote:[
Thanks. But how is it possible for the "light to be on" and somebody home? Homebodies always seem to block the light...

:smile: :namaste:


Yes, no clarity only troubled. Suffering cannot delete suffering. Thank you. :smile: Wonderful!!
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Re: Atomic/Rainbow Body

Postby muni » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:41 am

I think this tread shows there is different looking, different use of expression.
In any case it is said that experience cannot be explained and still realized experiences' songs and writings to help all of us, can differ/change, while dharmata never does.

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