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Concerning Kearney's "Development of Insight"

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Concerning Kearney's "Development of Insight"

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Re: Concerning Kearney's "Development of Insight"

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:16 am

Greetings,

If I want to be an asaññasatta, I'll go for a nap.

:zzz:

Will I be enlightened when I awake?

:shock:

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Concerning Kearney's "Development of Insight"

Postby Ben » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:19 am

That's a pretty damning assessment, Geoff. Do you have any support for your contention?
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Re: Concerning Kearney's "Development of Insight"

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:22 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Concerning Kearney's "Development of Insight"

Postby cooran » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:30 am

Hello Ñāṇa,

I have practised with Patrick for years beginning while he was teaching Pali on staff in Buddhist Studies at the University of Queensland with Dr. Primoz Pecenko, and onwards when he was guiding teacher at the Blue Mountains Insight Meditation Centre.
Lost contact for a while but then reconnected when I was at the 4th Global Conference on Buddhism and he was one of the invited Guest speakers.
I will be attending two consecutive retreats with him in May this year, and am looking forward to it immensely.

Rather than starting a thread on DhammaWheel, why don’t you simply contact Patrick and discuss your perceptions/reservations with him?
He always teaches and publishes under his real name, and can be contacted at the following sites:
His website is: http://www.dharmasalon.net/home.html
And he can be emailed at: [email protected]

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Re: Patrick Kearney is not teaching the Pāḷi Dhamma

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Re: Concerning Kearney's "Development of Insight"

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:54 am

Greetings Geoff,

But what about instances in the Sutta Pitaka, where people attain to path (if not fruit) whilst listening to the Buddha's discourses?

(Sorry if that doesn't seem directly connected to this "no perception" issue, but if such sources cannot appropriately account for what is in the sutta, that would be a big dint in their credibility - i.e. "Moreover, the noble paths and fruitions are only entered through the attainment of supramundane jhāna")

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Patrick Kearney is not teaching the Pāḷi Dhamma

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Re: Concerning Kearney's "Development of Insight"

Postby cooran » Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:28 am

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
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Re: Patrick Kearney is not teaching the Pāḷi Dhamma

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Re: Concerning Kearney's "Development of Insight"

Postby robertk » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:30 am

magga and phala moments are highly developed states of wisdom - and are certainly not in any way devoid of perception.

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Re: Concerning Kearney's "Development of Insight"

Postby Dan74 » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:58 am

I think it is a good idea to invite Patrick Kearney to comment. If his teachings have been misunderstood or misrepresented, everybody would benefit from a clarification.
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